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What does Internet rumor- mongering say about our faith? Print E-mail
By Robert Marus & Ken Camp   
Published: October 16, 2009

WASHINGTON (ABP)—Thanks to the Internet, some gullible American Christians can engage in one of their favorite hobbies—digging up the metaphorical corpse of Madalyn Murray O’Hair and rhetorically flogging it—more easily than ever before.

Even though the famous atheist’s body was discovered in 1998 and positively identified in Texas—and even though she apparently has been dead since she disappeared in 1995—patently false rumors about her alleged anti-Christian campaigns continue to spread. Credulous Christians who once forwarded these kinds of rumors in mimeographed chain letters or spread them on talk radio now can broadcast them around the world with the mere click of a mouse.

Like creatures out of a Grade B horror movie, some urban myths and folk legends refuse to die. And for some reason, they seem to haunt the e-mail in-boxes of Christians more often than not.

And, of course, O’Hair is not alone in the annals of perceived enemies of Christ about whom some Christians will spread the most ridiculous stories, not bothering to do the merest hint of fact-checking on them.

From the old Procter & Gamble Satanism libel to tales of more recent vintage about President Obama’s faith and citizenship, Internet-fueled rumors seem to run rampant. And, frighteningly, Christians seem at the very least to be as susceptible as the population at large to spread false stories.

So, why are Christians so willing to believe unsubstantiated rumors? And more troubling, why are Christians, who should hold the highest standards of truth-telling, so eager to spread rumors—and even downright libels?

Christians are not necessarily any more gullible than the population at large—and there’s the rub, said Bill Tillman, a Christian-ethics professor at Hardin-Simmons University’s Logsdon Seminary , a Texas Baptist school.

“Their gullibility seems to follow the culture’s levels and channels of gullibility,” Tillman said. “That similarity should give Christians pause to think: If I am no different than the surrounding culture on the treatment of e-mails and communication they carry, with what else am I no different?

“I do think that, like the larger culture, some Christians do follow certain patterns that reflect where their theological ideas parallel their political ideologies.”

The atheist who just won’t die

Historically, O’Hair is the hands-down favorite target of the Christian rumor mill. Some tales tied to her name have been in circulation for more than a quarter century—before fax machines and e-mail made rumor-spreading infinitely easier.

The most pervasive and indestructible O’Hair rumor credits her for a campaign to ban religious broadcasting. It links her to a petition to the Federal Communications Commission the e-mails claim would remove all Sunday worship services from radio and television. O’Hair typically is identified in the e-mail as the atheist “whose effort successfully eliminated the use of the Bible reading and prayer from public schools 15 years ago.”

Some versions of the e-mail link the petition to an effort to remove religiously themed television shows, specifically mentioning Touched by an Angel.

There indeed once was a petition about religious broadcasting filed with the FCC, but that’s the extent of the truth in this rumor. The petition, called RM 2493, was filed nearly 35 years ago—but not by O’Hair, and not to eliminate religious broadcasting.

According to Snopes.com, a website that debunks urban legends, e-mail rumors and other myths, Jeremy Lansman and Lorenzo Milam asked the FCC to prevent religious organizations from obtaining licenses to operate radio and TV channels reserved for education.

The petition was not intended to ban all religious broadcasting, but rather to prevent religious organizations that operate universities and schools from receiving FCC licenses for broadcast frequencies reserved for educational use. The FCC turned down the petition in August 1975. And O’Hair never had anything to do with such a petition.

There are other problems with the latest rumor. O’Hair’s infamous court case—in 1964, not 15 years ago—didn’t eliminate Bible reading and prayer from public schools but rather led to the Supreme Court decision that said government-sanctioned school prayer and school-led devotional Bible study are unconstitutional.

Moreover, the FCC would not have the authority to ban religious broadcasting, since such a rule would blatantly violate the First Amendment’s religion clauses and would be overturned by the Supreme Court.


But the rumor just won’t die. According to Snopes.com , the FCC has received at least 30 million letters, faxes or e-mails expressing opposition to this petition since 1974. The only new element in this later incarnation is the mention of Touched by an Angel. Laying aside any curiosity about why anyone would be bothered by the cancellation of a TV show that’s been off the air six years, there remains the problem of how someone who’s been dead for nearly 15 years could testify before the FCC.

But O’Hair’s posthumous powers really shouldn’t surprise us. Labeled by Life magazine in 1964 as “the most hated woman in America,” O’Hair is considered enough of an enemy by many Christians that they are willing to believe just about anything about her. The advent of the Internet only made the rumors easier to spread and harder to correct. 

Rumors about what people love to hate

Rumors like the ones tied to O’Hair become more powerful when they tap into the hostility and distrust toward government that is widespread among conservative Christians. It’s easy for the average evangelical to believe any rumor that fits this larger political paradigm.

Factor in a contentious presidential election and the stakes go even higher. During the 2000 campaign—the first in the age of widespread Internet access—dutiful Christian culture-warriors worked overtime.

One popular e-mail rumor claimed then-Attorney General Janet Reno had described evangelical Christians as “cultists” in a 1994 60 Minutes interview. The fabricated story received such wide distribution that Religious Right leaders James Dobson and Jerry Falwell had to warn their followers publicly against believing it.

Another e-mail rumor prevalent that year credited then-Vice President Al Gore with a campaign-speech gaffe. To quote the e-mail: “In his typically stiff, condescending and insincere manner, he said his favorite Bible verse is John 16:3. Of course, the speech writer meant (John) 3:16, but wasn’t even familiar enough with this often-quoted and, of course, often-taken-for-granted Scripture to catch the error. Neither was Gore, and how incredibly appropriate it is.”

John 3:16 reads, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” But John 16:3 reads, “They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.” The implication was obvious: Gore’s misquote was some sort of Freudian slip that revealed his true un-Christian nature.

Like the others, this story is untrue, according to Urban Legends, another website that investigates e-mail rumors and other folklore—www.urbanlegends.com . The irony of the rumor is its original source.

According to conservative columnist Cal Thomas, the quote is real but Al Gore did not say it—then-President George H.W. Bush did, 20 years ago.

“Bush said it in my presence at a religious broadcasters convention about 1990,” Thomas told Urban Legends. “And I wrote about it in my book, Blinded by Might: Can the Religious Right Save America? But somehow it got twisted around and stuck on the Internet and put in Al Gore’s mouth. He (Gore) has got a lot of stuff that he has to defend, but that’s not one of them.’” 

Things only got worse in the 2008 election. With one candidate deeply distrusted by the Religious Right having a background unlike any presidential contender before him—a nominally Muslim father from Kenya, a freethinking American mother who raised him in the United States and, for a time, in Indonesia—the rumor mills worked overtime.

Many of those e-mails seemed marketed directly to fearful Christians. One frequently forwarded message—also debunked by Snopes—identifies Barack Obama as the son of a black Muslim from Kenya and a white atheist from Kansas.

“When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a radical Muslim from Indonesia,” the erroneous e-mail reports. “When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama attended a Muslim school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school. ...

“Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the radical teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. ...


“Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ... Also, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he did not use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.”

First of all, while his father was raised a Muslim, he did not practice the faith by the time the younger Obama was born. Obama has described his mother as a religious seeker who was raised a Christian but never has described her as an atheist. His stepfather was an oil executive, and no credible accounts ever said he was a radical Islamist—the “fact” that he married an alleged “atheist” would sort of mitigate against that.

Obama attended a Catholic school and a predominantly Muslim public school in Indonesia in which religion classes were offered. There is no evidence radical Saudi Wahabism was ever taught in that school—although the accusation that Obama attended such an Islamic “madrassah” was so pervasive it made its way into the mainstream media—via Fox News—in 2008.

Obama made a profession of faith in Christ and joined Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago in the late 1980s, long before he sought public office. And the Koran swearing-in rumor is patently false. Its originator apparently has Obama confused with Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., who became the first Muslim ever elected to Congress in 2006 and raised some controversy when he was sworn in on a historic copy of the Koran that once belonged to Thomas Jefferson.

Rumors about the living

Political rumors like these are more damaging even than the O’Hair rumors because Obama, Reno and Gore are real, living public figures with careers and reputations on the line.

Of course, rumors can be used to enhance a reputation as well. One e-mail hoax in recent years that received wide circulation was that President George W. Bush, at a thank-you dinner for campaign workers after the 2000 election, took time out of his duties to share the gospel with the son of a volunteer. As the story goes, the boy prayed to receive Christ on the spot, with Bush leading the prayer.

It is, unfortunately, untrue. Bush’s campaign never held any such dinner, and campaign officials said the pressing time commitments of the ongoing Florida recount would not have allowed Bush to deviate so dramatically from his schedule even if he had wanted to.

Those minor details didn’t stop many church newsletters and websites—even the website of Christianity Today, the flagship evangelical publication—from reporting it as fact.

The Bush rumor fits a pattern that folklorists call “cult of personality” myths. They often spring up around new presidents and are most prominent among the president’s core supporters.

Some Christians are so willing to believe rumors that reflect well on their heroes and poorly on their opponents that they abandon even a modest concern for the veracity of the rumors. Yet the Bible clearly prohibits “bearing false witness” and spreading rumors and gossip. Perhaps Christians who spread such rumors think they serve a greater purpose, as if the end justifies the means, some ethicists speculate.

The real truth

Ethicist Tillman called on Christians to examine their biases and prejudices, which he described as “tough exercise,” because it forces Christians to explore the influences that shaped them.

Gullibility may grow out of fear and anxiety, he added. And that directly relates to what people believe.

“I suggest to my students, ‘Tell me something about your fears, and I will tell you something of your theology,’” Tillman said. “Dealing with our fears—an action usually dismissed or ignored—may be one of the keys to understanding just which e-mails we forward and those we don’t.”

David Gushee, a Baptist ethicist at Mercer University’s McAfee School of Theology in Atlanta, agreed Christians who spread tall tales by e-mail reflect a significant slice of American culture and act out of deep emotion.

“Certainly, many Christians seem attracted to conspiracy theories and urban myths and these mass e-mails that propagate them,” he said. “But I am not sure if that is because they are Christian or because they are just Americans of a certain type—people who feel angry about the way the world is, who feel alienated from ‘elite culture,’ who feel embattled by cultural trends that they cannot control and do not at all like, and who often feel looked down upon by those with more education or higher social status.”

The key to confronting such bad habits among Christians is proper spiritual formation on the ethics of truth-telling, gossip and rumor-spreading, experts said.

“Congregations should nourish true spiritual friendships—relationships in which others will love us enough to instruct and correct us,” said Robert Kruschwitz, director of Baylor University’s Center for Christian Ethics .

“If we are gullible, we need some help to sort out the nonsense we should question from the truth that we should spread… If we are fearful and envious, just too quick to gossip or criticize, we need that deep love that calms our fears and removes the need to impress others. That love comes from God through Christ, but the Holy Spirit often communicates it to us through our good spiritual friends.”

Tillman said Christians should learn the “put off” and “put on” pattern of behavior the Apostle Paul taught in the New Testament.

“He exhorted the early Christians to ‘put on’ virtues—good character traits. … My thought is that Paul intended to educate people to fill their minds with positive things and living the gospel out of those frameworks than if they were loaded down with ungodly traits,” he said.

“With the ‘put off’ side of his guidelines, he told the early Christians to put away vices, one of the primary ones being gossip. … That term, by the way, is understood off the pages of the New Testament as tale-bearing, tattling, slandering—the acts which should not be attached to any Christian.”

Gushee pointed to multiple New Testament principles pertinent to the matter of spreading urban myths—loving one’s neighbor and one’s perceived enemy, not participating in gossip, not judging others and observing the Golden Rule.

“In general, we need to help Christians act like Christians in public life and not just in private life, and not to get sucked into the polarization, partisan idolatry and demonization so common now in media and government,” Gushee said.

 





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That is only part of the problem
written by tommelba, October 16, 2009
The critical issue is the birth location of President Obama. The issue is why are the records sealed and no access can be gained? If all this is true why not make it public as is the case with every other President elected in this nation since it foundation? It would be good if President Obama put a stop to this by public release of information that is normal to an elected official. I wish you would have covered this.



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tommelba's comment classic example of article's point
written by smallvoice, October 17, 2009
First of all, this is an excellent article and deserving of serious consideration for those who are serious about their faith. Unfortunately, the first comment is a classic example of the problem the article highlights.

tommelba states, "The critical issue is the birth location of President Obama."

This has been thoroughly addressed. It is is still an issue because people like tommelba continue to feed on the rumor-mongering instead of looking at the actual record (see link below). Sadly, it seems the only way tommelba will be satisfied about Pres. Obama's birthplace is if (s)he personally views the certificate--but that's not the real issue, is it?

Rumor-mongering and a willingness to believe certain rumors about certain people has much to do with confirmation bias: people are much more willing to believe certain things based solely on their own viewpoints and prejudices rather than an objective and serious assessment of the information. Tommelba doesn't even want to expend the minimal effort to evaluate this rumor but demands others to take a certain action to do so-- and it's something that's already been done!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
excellent article
written by digitalsaint, October 17, 2009
Excellent article - we need more of this. Not just on Baptist sites, but on most sites that support particular ideologies or philosophies, be it religion or politics.

Too often I feel churches and their congregations (or political groups and their supporters) get in a 'feedback loop' of sorts. This extend to the large regional Christian community as well. When a rumor gets passed around that seems to coincide with deeply cherished beliefs or even with just a our political leanings, we take that rumor at face value and then perpetuate it. And it soon boils over into a lot of the hyperbole and scary fearmongering playing out i politics today. Rarely, if ever, does the reality of the situation warrant such vicious, perpetual fear & loathing.
In Popular American Christianity GOSSIP is the prefered vice.
written by quietpeace, October 17, 2009
I disagree with Professor Tillman’s suggestion that American Christian’s penchant for rumor mongering is the result of gullibility Christians have acquired from “the population at large.” Tillman only provides an excuse to cover a character flaw endemic to Popular American Christianity: GOSSIP.
I am not a Christian; but I am quite familiar with the gospels. And from what I’ve read in the Bible, I don’t think Jesus would care abide in the hearts of folks who most often (loudly) proclaim His name. If one were to take the words & behavior of so very many Evangelical Christians as testimony to the Faith, one might think Christianity a cult in which gossip & blaming others, while not considering one’s own actions, words & thoughts, is the highest virtue. Having read the Bible I expect to see some sign of humility, pureness of heart, mercy, sincere hunger for righteousness & peacemaking about the people who claim to follow Christ. Now, I don’t wish to cast stones, but I cannot honestly claim to have observed these qualities in American Evangelical/Fundamentalist communities—and I’ve been watching, listening & thinking for a long time. For most of my life I have interacted with “Bible believing Christians” at work and socially, and I haven’t noticed anything that would distinguish them from those they insist will burn in hell—accept perhaps a sizable chip on their shoulders. Where are the Spiritual fruits of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control in conservative Evangelical America? I’m not demanding perfection, just enough of a good Christian witness to be worthy of following. After reading the flood of believer’s comments to an article that appeared in NEWSWEEK last April [The Decline and Fall of Christian America], it became clear to me that millions of Evangelical Christians indulge perverse fantasies: pretending to be Martyrs & taking it out on others; promoting, in Jesus’ name, a Carl Rove-style Politically Correct Popular Gospel of Crybabies for Jesus. No one persecutes American Evangelicals; and they do not bare their imaginary crosses in a CHRISTLY manner: “Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven…” The attitude expressed in words and in deeds by so many American Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christians can only do harm to our country—and to the world.

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written by gedwarren, October 19, 2009
"So, why are Christians so willing to believe unsubstantiated rumors? And more troubling, why are Christians, who should hold the highest standards of truth-telling, so eager to spread rumors—and even downright libels?"

From where I'm standing the answer to those questions are obvious. But then I neither believe in nor spread unsubstantiated rumors about human origins.
WHERE CAN ONE PURCHASE THE TITLE OF ETHICIST
written by Ameritianity, October 19, 2009
Many ministers today have tried to remain neutral in the face of politics which has become increasingly godless. You’ve heard ministers tell their congregations to stay out of politics with some of the following half-truths:

•"Politics is dirty.”
•“Jesus didn’t get mixed up in politics.”
•“There’s a separation between church and state.”
•“Our citizenship is in heaven.”
•“We’re not supposed to judge.”
•“You can’t impose your morality on other people.”
These excuses are foreign to the men who penned these pamphlets. They would recoil in disbelief if they heard these excuses coming from ministers of the gospel. Joseph Strong stated in 1802 that our fathers adhered to the principle “that none ought to be elevated to public office except those whose opinions and behavior were strictly Christian” and that “righteousness exalts a nation.” When is the last time you heard anything like that?

Had many of todays "Ethicists" been around when this Nation was being founded on "Judeo-Christian Principles", the Revolution would have failed and we would be driving on the left side of the road.

At my website we accumulate video and audio tapes of Obama and others actually saying things todays "Christian Leftists" deny he said.

Interestingly the question become "Which ethicist do you believe?" How about being really honest and drop the title "Ethicist"?
To QuietPeace
written by Ameritianity, October 19, 2009
You said "I am not a Christian."

Yet, YOU have read the Bible and YOU know how real Christians should live and behave? You may have missed the part about when someone accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior, they receive the Holy Spirit and their minds are transformed.

You said "I’m not demanding perfection, just enough of a good Christian witness to be worthy of following." Christians do not follow eachother...they are followers of Christ. There is none worth of being followed and none really worthy of Salvation. Thus, we are saved by God's Mercy and Grace precisely because we are not worthy even as we seek the unattainable goal of being "Christ-Like."

Your statement above indicated that you do have some beginnings of FAITH, atleast is a much as you place some trust in the Word of God about the Christ you have not accepted as telling you the truth about the only way to Eternal Life. May God now give you the strength and willingness to surrender your own will to His, accept His Mercy and Grace, and begin to walk in His Fullness and Light. Then continue your Bible reading with the new ability to understand it.

God Bless!!
Christianity and America
written by npor1985, October 25, 2009
It seems that the argument has turned to Dr. Tillman's position as a Biblical Ethicist rather than the original purpose of the article. First and foremost, Dr. Tillman stated Christians "follow the culture’s levels and channels." Above, quietpeace stated that Tillman said Christians gained this gullability from the rest of the world. That is simply not what Tillman said.
Tillman's point is spot on. We, as Christians are supposed to be set apart, beyond reproach, and different from the world around us. We have mirrored non-Christians in so many areas. Christian divorce rates mirror the worlds, Christians looking/addicted to pornography rate mirrors the worlds, and forwarding false emails mirrors the world. Dr. Tillman is not making excuses for Christians. He is simply referring to the statisctics of Christians (as noted above) and reminding Christians that we are supposed to be different.
quietpeace,gossip, along with many other things is a gigantic tumor that the American Church has a problem with. As stated above, we are supposed to be different from someone who does not have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and in many areas we have not done that very well.
Ameritianity, I have viewed your website and I just have one question for you. If it was God's will for America to fall and to exist no more, would you be alright with that?
Responding to NPOR1985
written by Ameritianity, October 25, 2009
"Ameritianity, I have viewed your website and I just have one question for you. If it was God's will for America to fall and to exist no more, would you be alright with that?" ... ABSOLUTELY!!

Which brings up and interesting topic. "What does God want us to do?"

Does God want us to (a) "watch" Him bring His children into the fold? Or does He want to (b) bless us by allowing us to participate in the building of His Church and the gathering of his people? If it is (a) then we may as well shut down all the churches and turn off Christian TV and Radio.

Does God (a) treat all nations equally or does He (b) bless nations in which His people who are "called by His name humble themselves and pray..."? If it is (a) then can we take God at his word.

If we see that those who claim to be Christians "mirror" society in many ways, is it because (a) we as the Church have focused on trying to get people to behave like we think they should or (b) we have failed to realize that God takes a sinner "just as he is", and for those who are willing to "surrender all", His Holy Spirit living in them will change them from within. Is it both?

We believe that it is God who led to the founding of the USA. It doesn't matter who He used to do it. It doesn't matter if they did it out of Greed or compassion. It doesn't matter if the founders really knew what "inalienable rights" were. It doesn't matter if they had the same understanding of God as we do.

Those who seem to diminish the greatness of the USA may do so because they believe it was founded and built solely by the hands of mortal and often sinful men. Those of us who see our nation as a blessing from God among nations see a responsibility to be good Stewards of God's blessings. Much in the same way that we could say that if God wanted to save the 40,000,000 babies aborted in the USA, he would have saved them, we know that God calls us to do His will, that He disciplines His children when they don't.

The implication that those of us who feel led and called to encourage citizens who are indeed blessed to live in the USA, to also be good stewards of that which God has blessed us and seek "public servants" who are honest and truthful and seek to serve and not to dictate and control, are "worshiping" the nation, our governmental system, our economic system, or our culture, is just like saying christians worship their wives, their children, their specific church, doctors who use their God given talents to save lives, etc. We seek God's will ... we don't seek to control it. We are "participants."

Thanks for asking.
quietpeace
written by clhess, October 25, 2009
Your comments are quite an indictment on those who claim to be Christians. Unfortunately, many of the evil comments passed around originate in religious circles. I have noticed that many folks who claim to not be Christians have better knowledge of the Bible and respect for its teachings than some of the people who loudly proclaim their "Christianity" and try to tell others what God really meant.
clhess
written by Ameritianity, October 25, 2009
clhess said: "I have noticed that many folks who claim to not be Christians have better knowledge of the Bible and respect for its teachings than some of the people who loudly proclaim their "Christianity" and try to tell others what God really meant."

Very interesting statement.
"His Fullness and Light?"
written by quietpeace, October 26, 2009
Ameritianity:

You’ve missed my message entirely.
In my experience over many years those who testify as having accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior, and as having received the Holy Spirit, demonstrate no indication of their minds having been transformed towards anything of a Divine quality; but, instead, towards an ever growing self-regard in the name of Jesus.

Christians do not follow each other...they are followers of Christ.


You reply to my post of request (as a non Christian) for “enough of a good Christian witness to be worthy of following” by suggesting that I accuse Christians of following one another. While—as would be obvious to anyone conversant in Common American English—I wrote nothing of the sort; I tell you now that adherents of the Culture of Popular American Christianity do not follow anything remotely Christ-like, but are instead prone to succumb to herd behavior. And they are addicted to the unholy vice of malicious gossip.

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. –Matthew 5:16
Non-Christian people of good will all around the world gaze from afar at Christian America and see only that which is there to be seen: the bitter darkness of a self absorbed people who are constantly kvetching about one thing after another “in Jesus Name.”

Do you really expect me to regard you as one who speaks from experience (as do so many “Born Again Christians” I’ve known) of “walking in His Fullness and Light?”
The Perfect Christian
written by Ameritianity, October 26, 2009
To QuietPeace:

Thank you for your response. You make a number of interesting comments and I'm sure you will understand that some will simply disagree.

(1) I miss your entire message: Your message to me seemed to be saying that you are not a Christian but you know everything about who and how Christians should be but you have chosen to not be one.
(2) Non-Christian "around the world" see only darkness in America you said. I see millions that would like to come here and most likely not for the darkness they see here.
(3) "Conversant in Common English" ... this is a typical liberal statement when they want to imply that the reader of their comments is not intelligent enough to understand their superiorly intelligent point of view.
(4) My response to you is simply that if you are considering Christianity, it might be best to follow Christ directly since there are no perfect Christians. The point is that NONE are worthy of being followed. Paul wasn't...he was a murderer. Peter wasn't...he denied Christ to try to save his own skin. Yet, God DID allow these and others to be LEADERS.
(5) If you are not considering Christianity, then you are simply bashing Christianity and the USA like so many others do.
(6) There are no perfect Christians and if you ever find one who you believe to be perfect, he has fooled you. The Bible tells us HOW to be perfect to show us that we can never BE perfect to point us to the only perfection which IS in Christ. And PERFECTION is required for salvation and eternal life which comes by being "in Christ".
(7) You wrote "by suggesting that I accuse Christians of following one another" ... not at all! I was pointing out that you appeared to be looking for someone to follow to Christ, and there are none worthy of that, as you have yourself pointed out. Yet, millions have been led to Christ by God using Christians who are themselves unworthy, in and of themselves" in the process which begins by GOD CALLING those He calls.

As for "people of good will around the world" ... each human being is either for Christ or against Christ. All the good will we can muster will not save us.

God Bless
all birth recs are sealed
written by atty1tx, October 30, 2009
Tommelba, you may sleep better if you checked some law. Look at the Tex. Dept. of Health website, under birth records. In Texas, for example, birth records are sealed--not available to the nosy general public--for 75 years. Other states have 50 year limits. It is to protect privacy and to reduce identity theft. I'm not defending the President per se, maybe he does have a problem, but then again there may be nothing more sinister behind the Obama birth certificate suspicions than a state law common in many parts of the country.
Atty1Tx
written by Ameritianity, October 30, 2009
True, but we do expect total transparancy from a president or candidate. A president is expected to "prove" that he is eligible to hold that position. Same would apply to his educational records and his medical records which have also been kept secret. "Take my word for it" or "I will show some of my friends and they can tell you" should not suffice in this situation.

But....we don't often elect a president based on race, personality, and "hope and change."

www.ameritianity.com
WON’T GO TO COURT
written by Rex Ray, November 01, 2009

Ameritianity,
You make a good point that a president is expected to “Prove” that he is eligible to hold that position.

So why are lawsuits to prove his birth certificate is a fake thrown out of court? If he had nothing to hide, why won’t he go to court?



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