Texas Baptist Forum_22105
Posted: 2/18/05
TEXAS BAPTIST FORUM
Risky business
Perhaps many older Baptists feel a cultural aversion to having a woman pastor, but it strikes me as disingenuous to portray this issue as solely or even primarily cultural (Jan. 24).
As a child of the '70s–educated after the rise of feminism–I have consistently been taught that women should be free to do anything men can do. Thus, I hold my belief that a woman should not be a pastor in contradiction to my culture, not because of it. Why? Because I believe I must be obedient to God's word.
I wonder sometimes whether advocates of woman pastors realize the implications of their assertions. When he forbade women from holding authority over men in church, Paul based his argument on the story of Adam and Eve in the Old Testament, not on his culture (1 Timothy 2:11-15).
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"Scrubbing public discourse of religious ideas would remove one of the main sources of social justice in our history." Michael Gerson White House speechwriter, speaking about President Bush's frequent use of religious language (Time/RNS) "I have no problem teaching creationism, but not as a science. I learned my creation in Sunday school, and I learned my evolution in high school." Joel Leib Parent of a student in Dover, Penn., where the local school board voted to require ninth-grade science teachers to present "intelligent design" as an alternative to evolution (RNS) "We believe that the rhythm of work and rest, doing and being, acting and reflecting, acquiring and sharing, is one of the most basic Jewish wisdoms. We see that the modern world is out of kilter: so addicted to the technology of making, doing, producing, consuming–and so contemptuous of contemplation, community and family–that this addiction is endangering both our society and the web of life on earth." Shalom Report A Jewish electronic newsletter, quoted by Texas Impact. |
I know some folks out there think the Bible is not trustworthy in matters of science, culture, history and other areas. But the argument for woman pastors strikes me as a step beyond even that. If the Bible is not reliable with regard to theology and interpretation of the Old Testament, is it authoritative in any area at all?
Claiming that Paul's inspired writings in the New Testament don't even correctly interpret the Old Testament–that does indeed strike me as risky business, far too risky for me.
Bart Barber
Farmersville
Divided society
It should come as no surprise to Charles Wade that millions of Baptists and other Christians strongly disagree with his implicit endorsement of the U.S. war on Iraq (Feb. 7).
Millions believe the Iraq war is not about weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein or democracy for the Iraqi people. It's about oil, profits, Israel, empire and world domination.
The Iraq war is morally and legally indefensible. More than 100,000 innocent human beings have died by weapons of mass destruction–ours. Torture, in violation the Geneva Convention, has been approved at the highest levels of our government.
We now have the most corrupt, mean-spirited and dishonest government in our history. It is openly hostile toward the poor at home and abroad. As Jim Wallis explains in God's Politics, this government does not reflect Christian values.
For most people, access to information is limited to the mainstream media and their own limited social, cultural and religious circles. It is understandable that Baptists and Americans are now more divided than at any time since the Civil War.
Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.” We Baptists need to come together and start operating off the same set of facts.
Charles Reed
Waco
Contemplative Christianity
Recently, while flipping the channels on the tube, I decided to watch the Eternal Word Television Network (EWTN), the Catholic channel.
This particular show featured a panel discussion that included a couple of priests and two former Baptist pastors, now Catholics. They discussed why they now are Catholics.
What made my viewing interesting was not only the viewpoints discussed–which, by the way, I agreed with–but how much more sense these guys made than the people on the channel right above–the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN).
As a Baptist of 25 years–perusing this newspaper and reading about a beloved Baptist making kooky statements about God's judgment in tsunamis and how another group of Baptists forced a college president to resign–in my view, it's no wonder we have virtually no credibility with the non-Christian.
We need a return to contemplative Christianity in an atmosphere of non-judgment with a view toward meeting the needs of the whole person. One former Baptist pastor on this program referred to the fact that unity among Christians is just not an issue with most Baptists. Right on!
It's time to put feet to Jesus' prayer for unity in John 17.
Gerald Johnson
Anna
Check documents at a worship service?
Regarding F.A. Taylor’s letter (Feb. 7), when people show up at one’s worship service, one does not ask to see citizenship papers. One embraces the opportunity to reach the lost. After they are saved, they bring their tithes and offerings joyfully, out of a grateful heart.
Their desire for knowledge of the word is unquenchable. They minister to others who are in the United States without inspection. They share the reason for their desire to minister and bring others to hear the word. They came to work because they thought they needed money. They discovered they needed Jesus. God is faithful. Praise the Lord!
Regarding Sen. Cornyn’s bill, my proposal and his bill coincide on several points, but my suggestion was that our government initiate a pilot program for a particular area of need. This would test a structure on a small scale that could later be expanded to a general change in our immigration policy if it proved feasible.
I must agree with my brother that attempting to make a major change of immigration policy might prove to be too cumbersome. However, it is disrespectful to say Sen. Cornyn doesn’t have a clue. His bill is not a joke. It is an attempt to begin to address this serious issue.
If this had been done years ago, perhaps 9/11 would not have happened.
Carmelita Hernandez
Austin
Must deacons be sin-free?
I read the letters regarding “Ernesto” being a deacon (Feb. 7). I am a deacon, and I break the law most Sunday mornings. My sin, if it is a sin, is that I drive slightly over the speed limit. I am also overweight. Am I disqualified to be a deacon? I am also a sinner in other ways that I prefer not to discuss here.
My point is that every deacon I know has some sin or blemish that would disqualify him (or her) to be a deacon if deacons must be sin-free. Sin is sin in the eyes of God, so if one sin disqualifies, so do all sins.
We are Baptists. As a Baptist, I do not believe that it is up to me to say that “Ernesto” should or should not be a deacon, unless I am actually a member of his local church.
I do not recall that when Paul wrote his version of the qualifications for deacon to Timothy that he mentioned citizenship.
To me, it seems that “Ernesto” is breaking the laws of the state, but not the church. Thank God and our founding fathers, the two are still separate, thus far!
There are well-meaning Christians who wish to change this. May they forever fail.
Charles McFatter
Semmes, Ala.
Grace, not judgment, reflected in tsunami
I wish to address two subjects, tsunamis and “Jesus is Lord” (February 7). I trust “lordship” as presented is not the official stance of any Baptist convention or church but only for certain individuals.
“Lordship” is to be presented as one church spiritual, not earthly. The Matthew 16:18 and Ephesians 1:22-23 references to his church are singular, and verse 23 affirms it is his body, and there is only one body of Christ. This, of course, denotes one church and not many “churches” as put forth in the article. Christians are in Christ, not churches. We’re not the nation of Israel but come one by one (I Corinthians 3:8-16).
On the tsunami, perhaps a Scripture will help in understanding. The Ephesians 1:22-23 reference also answers the tsunamis showing we are now in the grace administration of God; therefore he is not judging sin today. We see this when we bring in verse 21, presenting Christ having absolute authority and power, but he is withholding judgment of this world and its inhabitants, else judgments would have already taken place. Tsunamis are the nature of the world reacting to its changes.
Can we charge God with judgment by way of the many hurricanes devastating the state of Florida last year? Are those citizens any worse than we here in this great state of Texas?
James Parks
Dallas
Amazing no scripture used in article
A professor of theology at a seminary writes an article on women in ministry (Jan. 24) and uses experiences rather than even one Scripture to make his point? Amazing.
Rick Stone
Glen Rose
All opinions are not equal
What do you do when all of the best arguments are put forth, but disagreement remains? It’s rare that people change their position based on a solid argument by an opponent. This is regretful, but it’s part of our self-defeating human nature. People usually believe what they want to believe rather than what is truth.
The reason that our culture is so divided (red and blue) is not because neither side is aware of the opposing side’s reasoning. It’s that they simply reject them based on their merits.
Moral relativists put all of the virtue in simply having an opinion and expressing it, rather than having an opinion that is derived from the truth. On any issue, the emphasis should always be on the truth of the matter and not how many varying opinions can be gathered. All opinions are not equal. Let’s not be afraid to admit that.
Those who think that illegal immigration should not be dignified by discussion are just plain wrong. There is nothing stifling or uncivil about saying that. Now, let’s remove that invalid viewpoint from the table of possible solutions and focus on the next one until we arrive at the “right” one.
Tom White
Corsicana


