Kris Ward is an associate professor in the College of Education at the University of Mary Hardin-Baylor, where she is in her 11th year on faculty. She is a member of First Baptist Church in Belton. From deep in the heart of one Texan, she shares her background and thoughts on Christian higher education. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you served, and what were your positions there?

I began teaching in 1994 as a general education teacher in elementary school. After four years, I was able to stay home with my children for a few years before going back to a general education classroom. That year was pivotal in my career.

Though the class was a “general education” classroom, there was not much general about it. Many of the students in the classroom had difficulties and challenges ranging from mild to quite severe. In this classroom, a little second grade boy with autism stole my heart.

He was the first student with autism I had ever encountered. It was a learning experience for both of us and changed the trajectory of my career. Because of the influence of this little boy, I pursued a master’s degree in education with an emphasis in low incidence disabilities and became a special education teacher.

Consequently, I was able to teach him and other students with disabilities for the next three years. The Lord opened my eyes to autism and other challenges and gifted me with the ability to teach in a way that was beneficial to their unique needs.

In 2006, I became the autism and low incidence disabilities specialist at the Education Service Center Region 12. Texas is divided into twenty centers that serve as the liaisons between the local education agencies and the Texas Education Agency. My job was to provide training for local teachers in my designated specialties, as well as support in the classrooms.

While at the service center, I began my doctoral studies in educational psychology at Baylor University. It was my desire to obtain this degree in order to be qualified to teach at the university level. I wanted to impact college students who wanted to be special education teachers so they could go out and serve the children I love so much.

Fortunately, God opened a position at my alma mater—University of Mary Hardin-Baylor—in the education department for a special education professor. I have been serving in this capacity since 2009.

It is so amazing to look back on a 25-year journey and see the path the Lord laid out and the opportunities put before me. I am still in contact with the little boy who started it all for me. He is now a grown man, living somewhat independently and being joy in many people’s lives.

Where did you grow up?

Most of my childhood was in the Kentucky and West Virginia areas. My dad became an active duty Army chaplain in 1986, and we moved from a small town in Kentucky to Fort Hood, in Central Texas. I was a junior in high school, and when their tour in Texas was complete, I had just finished my freshman year at UMHB. That summer, my family moved to Germany, and I remained behind to finish school.

I met my future husband at UMHB, and we have been in Belton ever since. I never had a hometown experience, but all three of our children were born and grew up in Belton. I love that they have childhood friends with whom they still maintain friendships.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I grew up in church. We were there every time the doors were open. Coming to Christ was a natural event for kids like me. My parents lived Christ in our homes. They taught us about the greatest gift God ever gave and how to gain eternal life through Jesus.

I was about 9, and at that time my dad was an ordained minister. I was the first person he was able to baptize. Since that time, he has baptized all of his children and grandchildren. That is a very special legacy he will leave for his family.

I was a sophomore when my parents moved to Germany. I distinctly remember the struggle of balancing the anguish I felt missing my family and wanting to have them here against the work they were doing serving our country and, more specifically, my father serving as a chaplain. That struggle was my journey.

Young adults must press through their own path as they develop their personal relationship with Christ outside of their parent’s influence. As a professor with daily interaction with college students experiencing life away from parents for the first time, I have a great opportunity to walk with them in their faith journey.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

I received a Bachelor of Science degree in psychology from the University of Mary Hardin-Baylor in 1991, a Masters of Education degree with an emphasis in low incidence disabilities from Texas A&M University in 2006, and a Ph.D. in educational psychology from Baylor University in 2012.

About education

Why do you feel called into education?

I believe teaching is a gift given to me from the Lord. Though there is much work required to craft the skill, teaching is natural to me. Teaching students with disabilities is even more natural to me. It is my responsibility to use my gift to serve others.

1 Peter 4:10 tells us, “Based on the gift each one has received, use it to serve others, as good managers of the varied grace of God.” It’s really that simple: identify your gift, use it for the good of others, and manage it well, because it is from God.

Within the first few years I was on faculty at UMHB, I proposed starting the UMHB Special Needs Lab. This is unique for undergraduate students in that children with disabilities come to our campus each week for service provided by our pre-service educators. The lab serves over 50 children each week ages 3 to 21 and is a safe place for students to practice the strategies they have been taught in the classroom with me behind them coaching and guiding as they hone their skills.

How does being a Christian influence your work in education?

Colossians 3:23 reminds us, “Whatever you do, do it enthusiastically, as something done for the Lord and not for men.”

Parents of children with special needs are desperate for professionals who love their children; but love is not enough. The gift of teaching is powerful and useful and good for the children and their parents. Imagine a child who is unable to speak.

Each day the parent sends their child to school where other people must interpret the grunts or movements of their child. Will those people at the school know if the child is in pain, hungry, uncomfortable in their wheelchair, happy, excited about something that happened at home, needs a diaper change? This list is not exhaustive.

Imagine the parent who asks these questions every day and cannot retrieve answers from their nonverbal child. That parent is relying on the knowledge and enthusiasm of the child’s teacher to interpret the child’s needs and wants. It is not easy, but it is possible when the teacher has been gifted by the Lord with the talents of a teacher.

My role is to develop special education teachers to recognize their gift and hone that talent in order to serve others, in this case children with disabilities and their parents. The UMHB Special Needs Lab is critical for developing the skills necessary to fully use the gifts of teaching our students are crafting while in college.

What is your favorite aspect of education? Why?

My favorite aspect of education is advocating for those who cannot speak for themselves. Special education is hard. Every child in a classroom is different, but in the special education world, every child with a disability is especially different. Two children may have the same disorder, but it manifests in different ways. It is the role of the teacher to advocate strongly for the child to gain access to an appropriate education that maintains high standards and expectations for the child.

Education is a game changer. No matter where you come from or the people in your past, a good education can create opportunities for a person to go in a completely different direction than their circumstances might suggest.

What one aspect of education would you like to change?

How time is spent. If one counted the number of days of instruction lost to other activities, they would be shocked. The biggest thief of time is high stakes testing and preparing for high stakes testing. So many days and hours are taken from instruction to teach strategies for taking a test, practicing the strategies, taking the test and then celebrating the effort given in taking the test.

I believe in assessment. It is only through assessment that teachers are able to know where students excel and where they struggle. Unfortunately, education today seems to place too much emphasis on high stakes testing, and teachers lose valuable minutes that could be spent teaching.

Name a significant challenge facing education.

One major challenge facing education today is preparing students for a world that looks different than the world that existed when traditional school started. Technology is moving faster than education, and schools must try to keep up with the world.

The students in classrooms today will be working in jobs that have not even been thought of yet. How do we prepare students for something that does not even exist? The only answer I know is we must prepare students to be critical thinkers and collaborators.

Gone are the days of teachers lecturing and students regurgitating. Education must be an event in which teachers deliver instruction in such a way as to require the students to problem solve, get the answer wrong, figure out the problem and try again. In this process, the teacher is a facilitator.

About Kris

Why are you Baptist?

I suppose I am a Baptist because we always went to a Baptist church. I can remember as a child asking my mom about what makes Baptists different. She replied that we were Baptists because of the Cooperative Program. That is still true today. My tithes and offerings go to spread the gospel throughout the world, and that is one important part of being a Baptist.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

My favorite verse is 2 Timothy 1:7, which states, “For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but one of power, love and sound mind.”

I experienced an event that left me with significant fear resulting in panic attacks. It was during that time I came to understand fear was not from God. During my struggles, I would recite this verse over and over to remind myself God did not give me this fear, but instead, he gave me power, love and a sound mind. This verse has been a source of strength and comfort over the years.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

I love real estate and would love to flip houses. I always thought that if I were not a teacher, I would flip houses. I love going into a house in shambles and imagining what it could look like with some paint here, a new floor there and an odd transformation in another room.

EDITOR’S NOTE: This interview has been edited for length.

Chuck Gartman is the director of ministry guidance and an assistant professor of Christian education for Howard Payne University. He is a member of First Baptist Church in Brownwood. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on Christian higher education. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

How long have you been at Howard Payne University?

I was an adjunct professor from 1989 to 1991 when we started the youth ministry emphasis for our university. I came back to HPU in 2002 to serve full-time until 2005. Then I served part-time while I was on staff at First Baptist Church in Lubbock from 2005 to 2012 and Field Street Baptist Church in Cleburne from 2012 to 2016. I returned to HPU to be the full-time director of ministry guidance and assistant professor of Christian education in 2016.

Where else have you served, and what were your positions there?

While at Howard Payne as a student, I served at Oak Park Baptist Church in Kerrville as the youth and music minister, Bethel Baptist Church in Eastland as the youth and music minister, and First United Methodist Church in Brownwood as the youth minister.

While at Southwestern Seminary, I served at First Baptist Church in Jacksboro as the youth and music minister.

After graduating from seminary, I served at Field Street Baptist in Cleburne as the youth and music minister. I came back to Field Street after 40 years to serve as the minister of education and leadership development. I also served at First Baptist Church in Conroe for more than 14 years. I was fortunate enough to serve in almost every capacity in my tenure at that church, with the exception of pastor.

I moved from there to Nashville, Tenn., where I worked for LifeWay Christian Resources for 10 years. While in Nashville, I served three churches as the interim youth minister—Judson Baptist Church in Nashville, First Baptist Church in Franklin and Bluegrass Baptist Church in Hendersonville.

We returned to Brownwood in 2002 to join the faculty of HPU. From there, I went to First Baptist Church in Lubbock as a 55-year-old youth minister, if you can believe that. I transitioned to associate pastor for leadership development for three years and then returned to Field Street Baptist Church in Cleburne.

While at HPU, I served as the interim pastor at First Baptist Church in San Angelo.

Where did you grow up?

We lived in several states because of my dad’s work with the U.S. Department of Agriculture before settling in McAllen, Texas, where I attended junior high and high school. I came to Howard Payne as a student in 1967.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I started my spiritual journey in Rome, Ga., at West Rome Baptist Church when I accepted Christ as Savior and Lord at age 6. My parents were faithful Christians and very active in the church, so it was a natural step to take.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• Howard Payne University, Bachelor of Science in religious education
• Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Master of Divinity with emphasis in pastoral care and Christian ethics
• New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, post-graduate studies in youth ministry

About education

Why do you feel called into education?

I always have thought explaining theology and ministry was an important part of equipping people for ministry in the local church, whether as laypeople or in professional ministry. In my view, education is a chief component of discipleship. I feel called of God to ministry as a vocation, and the Lord has opened doors faithfully for me to participate in educating and equipping people for ministry.

How does being a Christian influence your work in education?

I am involved in ministry and biblical education at my university. However, I feel no matter where I may teach—and I have taught at a state junior college—my faith influences how I treat students, fellow faculty and administrators. Also, I feel a sense of urgency as an ambassador for Christ to share what the Lord has done for me in my salvation, as well as in my vocational life.

What is your favorite aspect of education? Why?

I love students, so I enjoy the relationships I have with them. I also enjoy discussions with my colleagues about ministry, theology, culture and ideas. Both of these aspects have caused me to grow in my faith, and hopefully, to have helped others to do the same.

What one aspect of education gives you the greatest joy?

Seeing people “get it” when it comes to in-depth theology or to a ministry aspect about which they never have thought before or have come to conclusions that were different than they originally may have thought.

What is your favorite class to teach? Why?

I enjoy teaching about youth culture. It is ever-changing and extremely challenging. I even wrote a book on it for a class in the Certificate of Ministry Program at Wayland University. The title is The World of the 21st Century Teenager. It was out of date the day I turned it in.

I also love to teach the Communicative Preaching course. That is one of my all-time favorite experiences.

What one aspect of education would you like to change?

The cost of it. I don’t have an easy answer on this one, but we have to get a handle on student debt somehow.

How do you expect education to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

It is quite possible, I believe, we will move toward a completely online experience for more students. I would be sad to see that happen, because the face-to-face nature of education is so valuable.

If you could get one “do over” in education, what would it be, and why?

Even though I have not lacked for any experience I have desired, if given the opportunity, I believe I would have gotten a terminal degree. I have been a life-long learner and continue to be, but a terminal degree might have opened some doors that have remained closed for me. I don’t necessarily regret the path I chose, but a terminal degree may have increased some influence I have had on students.

About Chuck

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

Music and movies have influenced my life to a great degree. I have gleaned insight, wisdom and knowledge from these by looking for messages God reveals in them.

Why are you Baptist?

One realistic answer is my parents and my family heritage have been Baptist. However, my parents taught me to think for myself, and I have come to the conclusion the Baptist way is the best for me. Most of the major doctrines and practices align with my deepest thoughts.

Additionally, Baptists have educated me, and I have worked for Baptists most all my life.

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

My parents, Jay (deceased) and JoAnne Gartman, were the best mentors I have had. They modeled their faith in front of our family and friends. There was very little doubt where they stood on most issues we faced as we grew up.

My wife Connie has mentored me in the art of parenting and family. She teaches and demonstrates the right principles of both every day. She is a wonderful person.

Randy Johnson from First Baptist Church in Richardson, Texas, is one of my models of faithfulness to the church.

Myrte Veach, retired manager of the youth ministry services section at LifeWay Christian Resources, was best the supervisor and manager I ever encountered.

Nat Tracy (deceased), professor of religion and philosophy at Howard Payne University, was my favorite and most influential college professor. His insistence, like that of my parents, that I learn to think for myself and evaluate my belief system were some of the greatest gifts I received in my life.

Gary Gramling and Allen Jackson both not only have challenged me educationally and theologically, but also have supported me in my efforts to teach people in a way both practical and helpful.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

A Long Obedience in the Same Direction by Eugene Peterson helps establish the importance of discipleship in my own life as well as in the lives of those with whom I have some influence.

TEACH by Allen Jackson is the clearest, most concise presentation of the principles of teaching I have ever read.

Personal Disciple-Making by Chris Adsit, is the best written and organized book concerning the practical logistics of our main task of making disciples I have read.

I Don’t Go to Church: I am the Church by David Bish describes what I believe ought to be the overarching task and emphasis of church membership.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

My life verses are found in Paul’s letter to the church at Philippi—Philippians 3:7-14. My end goal is to know Christ intimately. He has made himself clearly known to me, but I’m still learning from him and pursuing him.

Romans 8:28-29 is a close second to the passage in Philippians. I believe God is at work in everything to bring about the development of his character in his people.

Who is your favorite person in the Bible, other than Jesus? Why?

Thomas is my favorite. His life and responses, I believe, have been grossly misinterpreted. Rather than a doubter, I believe Thomas was a thinker, a realist and a risk-taker. I want to have all three of those characteristics in my own life.

What is the most important aspect of your life that has moved you forward in your faith development?

I believe it is my commitment to spending time with God in personal worship that has caused me to move forward in my faith development. J.R. Vassar once said the altars of corporate worship have crumbled because the altars of personal worship have crumbled. I can think of no more insightful quote that describes what has happened to Christianity in America. I don’t believe there is anything magic in either kinds of worship, but without both, I do not believe we will move forward in our pursuit of God’s character.

Rebekah Crowe is an associate professor of history and the program coordinator for the Master of History degree at Wayland Baptist University, where she has served for seven years. She is also the faculty sponsor for the Texas Alpha Eta chapter of the Alpha Chi National College Honor Society. Crowe is a member of First Baptist Church in Plainview. From deep in the heart of one Texan, she shares her background and thoughts on Christian higher education. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where did you grow up?

I grew up in northeastern Colorado, in a small farming and ranching community called Wiggins. At the time of my high school graduation, the population was about 800.

My dad is a semi-retired Southern Baptist pastor, and my mom taught elementary school until her retirement.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

As a PK (pastor’s kid), the Bible, God, Jesus, etc. were common topics of conversation, and daily faith was demonstrated by both of my parents.

When I was about 7 years old, there was a string of Sunday mornings in which my dad’s sermons seemed to be aimed straight at me, which I now know was the power of conviction. Over the next few weeks, my dad and I had several conversations about how and what I was feeling.

One evening, my dad took me into the bathroom, the only quiet place in a small parsonage populated by a large, boisterous family and knelt with me beside the commode. I asked Jesus to come into my life and be my Lord and Savior.

This decision was announced in church the next Sunday, and I was baptized shortly after. I immediately went into a discipleship program for children and have continued to work on my relationship with Christ since then.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

After graduating from Wiggins High School in 1998, I came to Wayland and earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in history in 2002. I graduated with a Master of Arts degree in U.S. history from Baylor in 2004 and a Ph.D. in U.S. history from TCU in 2013.

About education

Why do you feel called into education?

I am passionate about all the information rattling around in my head and want to share it with anyone and everyone I meet. God has given me an outlet to do that so I’m not just grabbing strangers on the street to talk history.

I feel called especially to college education because most of my students are at such a formative age. They are beginning this journey called adulthood. Some of them are well-prepared for this step. Others think they are, but aren’t. Others very clearly understand they need mentorship.

How does being a Christian influence your work in education?

I really don’t care if they remember any specific information from my classes. I want them to feel like they really are seen by another human who wants to see them succeed academically, personally and professionally.

So many people slip through the cracks these days, thinking no one even realizes they are alive. Through the relationships I have the honor to develop with my students, I hope they can believe in the possibility of a God who knows them personally and that they are never alone, despite what their physical circumstances might tell them.

Additionally, I think history teaches us all humans need Jesus. Without him, we tend to treat each other really badly. I have the opportunity to explore humanity and the decisions individuals and groups make, attempting to point out there are very few “good guys” or “bad guys,” just people like us.

What is your favorite aspect of education? Why?

I love it when I can tie a certain aspect of history to a particular person’s life and/or experience.

Everyone has a story and it delights my soul when students realize they are the product of the things we are discussing, and their ancestors survived to give them the opportunities they now have.

What one aspect of education gives you the greatest joy?

Seeing my students “grow up.” On the Plainview campus, I primarily teach the freshman U.S. history survey. Often, I don’t really get a chance to interact with my students until I see them at graduation. I always am so proud to stand with my students and witness the completion of their degrees, as well as getting to meet their spouses, parents, children, etc.

What is your favorite class to teach? Why?

All of them. In all seriousness, I had a student once tell me he couldn’t tell which time period or topic was my favorite because I am so high energy about all of them. That is one of the highest compliments I’ve ever received.

What one aspect of education would you like to change?

I would change this new attitude of “hurry up, and get done.” Shorten the terms; pack in concurrent courses in high school; graduate early by double-counting classes or taking more hours.

I think a college education is about so much more than what you learn in the classroom. Students would be served better by taking time really to absorb all of the things they are learning and understanding how to be part of society.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing education.

I am concerned a college education no longer seems like a worthy investment for many people. We as educators must meet that challenge by explaining the importance of higher education.

Liberal arts are an especially hard sell right now. Another challenge is finding the balance between incorporating technological advances while still acknowledging traditional methods. Finally, we must meet the challenge of dealing with the rising mental health crisis among college students. I am floored every semester by the levels of anxiety and depression present in my classrooms.

What did you learn on the job you wish you learned elsewhere?

Oh, the paperwork! There is so much data that must be collected and analyzed in an academic setting. I now know it serves a valuable purpose, but I was not prepared for how much time and thought went into filling in forms.

What is the impact of education on your family?

Education is very important to both of my parents, who were both first-generation college students. I feel like I have taken the next step in that legacy by earning a terminal degree.

My son loves living near a college campus and just assumes he, too, will earn a few degrees in his lifetime.

If you could get one “do over” in education, what would it be, and why?

I would have more confidence in myself and my abilities.

About Baptists

Why are you Baptist?

I am a firm believer in the autonomy of the local church and the priesthood of the believer. No entity stands between me and my relationship with Christ.

We should live and serve out of a sense of gratitude for Christ’s salvation through grace alone, not to earn any sort of special spot.

The function of the local church is to provide a space for corporate worship, service and missionary work. I believe the Cooperative Program, Cooperative Baptist Fellowship and other similar mission organizations are some of the most efficient ways to spread the gospel around the world.

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

The role of women within the church is a key issue right now. Baptist also need to continue discussing issues related to sexual abuse. I also think honest and constructive conversations regarding Southern Baptist history are important to continue, including but not limited to slavery, anti-Catholic sentiment and minority populations and immigration.

About Rebekah

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

I have been blessed to have several mentors in my life.

My dad, Dean Shepard, introduced me to history and a love of reading. His thoughtful care for people and equal treatment of those around him continue to inspire me.

One of the most influential is Estelle Owens. She was my professor and boss while I studied at Wayland. I followed her lead in going to graduate school at Baylor and was delighted to come back and work for her as faculty. She showed me what it is to be a caring but strict professor and how to be a woman in academia.

Another academic mentor is Rebecca Sharpless who I had the honor of sitting under at Baylor and TCU. She demonstrates how to fight for what you know is right and cheer others on when they are failing to believe in themselves. She trained me in oral history, teaching me everyone has a story worth telling, and there is nothing more respectful of their humanity than listening—really listening—to what they have to say.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

The fiction authors I read over and over are Louisa May Alcott—Little Women—and L. M. Montgomery—Anne of Green Gables. They have female protagonists, and they take place in the past. I very rarely read fiction that takes place in the present day.

My non-fiction collection is much more eclectic, but I gravitate towards biography and oral history interviews.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Due to the excellent example set by my parents, Deuteronomy 6:20 always has been very meaningful to me. Now that I am a parent, I see it in a new light. That great responsibility has been placed on me.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

All of the unnamed women spread throughout the Bible fascinate me. We only get a brief glimpse into their lives and situations, and I am left wanting to know so much more.

The one I think about most is the woman with the issue of blood. My husband has hemophilia, and his mother did as well. Through this connection to the bleeding disorders community, I have come to have so much respect for the pain and suffering women endure with this particular chronic illness. While I cannot be sure this is what affected the woman in the biblical story, I do know she was so brave and had so much faith, overcoming social and cultural mores, her own isolation and a debilitating disease to get to Jesus. She inspires me to let nothing stand in my way to be in his presence.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

I have over 200 historic paper dolls in notebooks. They all are cut out and arranged in plastic sleeves.

P.J. Gramling is the director of admission for Howard Payne University. She is a member of Coggin Avenue Baptist Church in Brownwood. From deep in the heart of one Texan, she shares her background and thoughts on Christian higher education. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

How long have you been at Howard Payne?

As a student, I transferred to Howard Payne University in the spring of 1979 and graduated in May 1981.

My husband Gary Gramling has been teaching on faculty in the School of Christian Studies at Howard Payne since the fall of 1990; so, I have been a faculty wife for 30 years.

For 12 years, I have been on staff in the Office of Admission, where I serve as director of admission.

Where else have you served, and what were your positions there?

I served for three years at Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary in Mill Valley, Calif., as the administrative assistant to the provost and dean of academic affairs, Robert Cate. Out of college, I worked in the oil and gas industry at F. Howard Walsh in Fort Worth.

Where did you grow up?

I was born and raised in Fort Worth.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

On my 13th birthday, a friend named Delisa invited me to a youth revival at North Fort Worth Baptist Church. My memory is so vivid of that evening.

Delisa and I were sitting on the front row in a large auditorium filled with hundreds of other youth. During the sermon, I remember thinking I needed Jesus. The preacher seemed to be looking at me when he gave the invitation.

“Heirlooms,” a song by Amy Grant, has a phrase, “I remember the first time his love ever pierced my heart.” That is how I remember feeling that evening. Jesus’ love pierced my heart.

North Fort Worth Baptist Church has a special place in my heart for several reasons. When I was a very small child, I remember walking that same aisle with my mom when she accepted Christ. I joined North Fort Worth after I graduated from college, and it was my first real church home. Gary grew up at North Fort Worth, and he came to serve there as youth minister a few months after I joined. Gary and I reconnected after college, started dating and eventually were married at North Fort Worth.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

I graduated from Castleberry High School in Fort Worth in 1977.  I earned the Bachelor of Business Administration degree from Howard Payne in Brownwood in 1981.

About education

Why do you feel called into education?

When my husband Gary started teaching at HPU, I stayed at home with our children until our daughter Hannah was a senior and our son John was a sophomore in high school.

As Hannah was researching colleges during her senior year, I started reaching out to friends at HPU to ask questions regarding the admission and financial aid process. Finally, one of the administrators asked if I could meet him at his office. He said he was looking for someone who loved students and loved Howard Payne to work with local Brown County students and churches.

At the time, I was not looking intentionally for a job, but two weeks before this meeting, I wrote in my prayer journal: “God, I am driving this big white suburban, and no one is riding in it. What do you have for me next?”

The Lord answered my prayer by giving me a new job and ministry to prospective students and their families.

Also, Gary and I were first-generation college students. Our parents did not have the opportunity to graduate from college, and yet, they supported and encouraged us to go to college.

Having a degree has opened so many doors that otherwise would not have been open to us. I am grateful my job includes helping other first-generation college students.

How does being a Christian influence your work in education?

Students who attend Howard Payne come from a variety of family and spiritual backgrounds. Just like any other ministry, I try to be aware the families I work with may or may not have a relationship with Christ.

It is such a joy to get to know the students and families as I visit with them regarding the admission process. I heard Jane Wilson say many years ago, “I ask the Lord in the morning to help me be the answer to someone’s prayer today.” I try to remember to pray this each morning as I work with families. I want to follow the Lord and minister through my job every day.

At HPU, we seek to reach out to prospective students and continue to care about students after they enroll. I have the opportunity to be a part of students’ lives after they enroll at HPU. It is a joy to see students find the Lord as their Savior, grow in their faith and also to come alongside and support them through their struggles.

It is my joy when students reach out to me for help or prayer. One student came to see me almost every day after moving into the residence hall during a fall semester. A few weeks passed, and the student only came by once or twice a week. As more time passed, the student only checked in a few times a semester. I loved being part of that student’s journey to graduation.

What is your advice to incoming college students to Howard Payne University?

My advice starts with an insight from Kalie Lowrie. Kalie said, “Being a freshman student at college is the great equalizer.”

Most freshmen are nervous and excited about starting college, because they are starting over. However, starting over also can be fun and exciting if you push beyond your comfort zone.

I always encourage students to attend all activities planned for incoming students, even if they are nervous or feel alone. It is a time when everyone feels nervous; so, be the one who reaches out to others to help them feel included.

What is your favorite aspect of education? Why?

I have heard it said Howard Payne is a great place to try things on and see what fits. One of my favorite aspects of education is when students discover an area or major that piques their interest. I have seen an interest develop into a passion through classes, internships, conversations with professors and off-campus experiences. To see a student find the right career fit can be life-changing and a joy to watch.

My son John was not interested in going to college, even though he was a strong student. However, Lynn Humeniuk, professor of criminal justice, started talking to John about pursuing a degree in criminal justice. Lynn was instrumental in encouraging John to continue his education, become a Brown County sheriff’s deputy, graduate from HPU and eventually become a DPS trooper.

What one aspect of education gives you the greatest joy?

Honestly, I prefer to be behind the scenes and help enhance the student’s educational experience in small ways. I enjoy those one-on-one conversations with students who are working through decisions or needing some perspective. My husband tells me I have a great deal of common sense, and so, I am able to provide some helpful advice or perspective.

One of my favorite things is to make chocolate chip cookies for students. I started many years ago making cookies for the first day and last day of Gary’s classes each semester. Also, I love making chocolate chip cookie bags for our student workers, for Super Summer friends, for special occasions, etc. Sometimes, people ask me why my cookies taste different. The love from my grandmother’s more than 50-year-old cookie sheet is the answer.

What one aspect of education would you like to change?

I think high school seniors sometimes feel pushed to make a college decision too early. Many students need time to visit and consider which college is the right fit.

Sometimes, college students feel pushed to declare a major before they are ready. Some of them arrive here with quite a few hours from dual enrollment or from AP credit, and so, they feel pressure to declare a major right away. But frequently, they need a little time to connect with a particular professor or subject area before they know for sure what academic direction to take.

How do you expect education to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

It seems it is becoming much more common for American students to earn a college degree. Also, much of the education being offered now is online. At Howard Payne, we currently emphasize the classroom experience for students.

Because of our size, students get to know their fellow students well. Part of their classroom experience involves learning to speak and respond respectfully to people who have a different opinion or people with whom they disagree. Thus, the close community of students at HPU provides opportunities for students to grow in their social and relational skills, while also developing spiritually and intellectually.

I believe the growing number of online degrees, while increasing the convenience of higher education, eventually will result in many educated people who have not had the opportunity to become skilled at social interaction.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing education.

Financial: Many families have not been able to save for college; so, the cost is stressful. It is often difficult for families to share their financial situations. I am grateful for the Financial Aid Office at HPU that helps families navigate through the financial aid process.

Family circumstance: Some students come from families who are not able to support them emotionally. Students need emotional support as they navigate the academic and social challenges of living away from home. The faculty and staff at HPU are very supportive when we become aware of needs.

Anxiety: A growing number of students struggle with anxiety. Of course, anxiety stems from a variety of sources. In the days ahead, I believe colleges and universities will need to provide more formal and informal counseling to help address this need.

What do you wish more people knew about education?

Christian education at the college level should help students gain the academic preparation to start a career, and it should offer a variety of activities and experiences to help them mature socially and grow spiritually.

Sometimes, this is the first time students have the opportunity to makes decisions that will affect their lives. The reason I believe in Christian education is a student can have a positive and caring environment in which to choose classes, social activities and friends—including faculty and staff members—who could endure the rest of their lives.

My academic and social experiences at HPU gave me the confidence to succeed in my first job in the oil and gas industry. I still get together with the friends I met at HPU in 1978. We have been there for each other through our lives. The education I received and friendships I made at HPU have enriched my life.

If you could get one “do over” in education, what would it be, and why?

I would do more research and give more thought to the decision of what major to pursue.

About P.J.

Why are you Baptist?

My dad was Catholic, and my mom was Baptist. Sometimes, I attended Mass and Sunday school on the same day. It was not until I was in college that I made the decision to attend a Baptist church.

I think it is the emphasis that Jesus is our personal Savior, the focus on the Bible and the encouragement to be mission-minded that makes me a Baptist. I also appreciate the Baptist emphases on the priesthood of the believer and local church autonomy.

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

My first mentors were fellow students at HPU. My first mentor was Teri Davis Andrews. She loved the Scripture and taught me how it could make a difference in my life. I remember walking into her room on the third floor at Veda Hodge, and she was on the floor reading her Bible. At the time, I did not own a Bible. She showed me the Scripture she was reading and talked to me about what the Lord was showing her through Scripture.

Vickie Clarke at Coggin Avenue Baptist Church always has been an example of a godly mother and church worker. I was watching Vickie, and she did not even realize it. She did not worry about what others thought but always seemed to care about working “as unto to the Lord” while raising her children and being involved at church. Vickie and Keith Clark were our children’s church grandparents since we did not have family in town.

Cindy Liebrum always has been there for me when it came to being involved with ministers and denominational organizations. Cindy has been an example of how to make others feel welcome and important. I know the way I feel would probably surprise Cindy since she is just being herself. I always say I am one of her many best friends.

What did you learn on the job you wish you learned elsewhere?

I learned from Cheryl Mangrum, associate director of admission at HPU, if a student does not have the academic qualifications or the time is not right to enroll at HPU, then it is our job to help him or her make an academic plan. Cheryl taught me sometimes people we encounter need hope. We can give them hope by helping them make a plan for their future.

What is the impact of education on your family?

My husband, two children, and I all have graduated from Howard Payne—Gary and I in 1981, Hannah in 2012 and John in 2015. We did not require our children to choose HPU, but I am so grateful they did.

Hannah was nine months old when we came to HPU. John was born in 1992 while Gary was teaching. Our children literally grew up with the HPU campus as their playground. They kept their toys in one of the empty spaces near Gary’s office. When our children were young, Gary and I would pray for our children to have meaningful relationships with godly adults. Many of the faculty and staff have provided those meaningful godly relationships.

After earning a degree in business, our daughter became a successful real estate agent in Fort Worth. After earning a degree in criminal justice, our son is enjoying his work as a state trooper in Sweetwater for the Department of Public Safety.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

Failing Forward by John Maxwell. I love this book because it explains failing can help us to succeed. Maxwell’s writing style is so fun and easy to read.

Joseph, Moses, Esther by Chuck Swindoll. I love these books because the Bible characters become real people.

The New Gold Standard by Joseph A. Michelli. HPU President Cory Hines mentioned this book when he first came to HPU. It is an encouragement to me always to be looking for a way to be more professional in my job.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Proverbs 3:5-6. I started my college career at another university. I was trying to decide if I should transfer to Howard Payne. Since I did not have a Bible, I wrote this verse on an index card and read it over and over again. It was the first Scripture I memorized, and it was the first Scripture that helped me make an important life decision.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

I met my husband because I went out with his roommate. My advice to college girls always has been to be nice to the roommates, because you never know how it will end.

Mark Funderburk is president and CEO of UMC Health System in Lubbock. He has been in healthcare 29 years and is a member of First Baptist Church in Lubbock. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on being a Christian in healthcare. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

What other businesses have you been in, and what were your positions there?

Prior to healthcare, I was in insurance and real estate for just a few years post college.

Where did you grow up?

Monroe, La.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

When I was 9, I talked with my parents after Sunday school. They took me to our pastor, who was also a close family friend, Rev. Harold Hughens. He confirmed my desire, we prayed together, and I was baptized.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• Baylor University, Bachelor of Business Administration
• University of Texas Medical Branch, Bachelor of Science
• Texas Tech University, Master of Business Administration

Life in the marketplace

Why do you feel called into the marketplace?

To make a difference. That can sound trite, I realize. I want to facilitate and achieve results to the benefit of my organization and the people we serve.

I have learned over the years through a career in the marketplace that leading individuals can bring about something often elusive—meaningful work, which is absolutely one of the best blessings we can endeavor to create. Meaningful work is a blessing. Being a conduit of it is all about making a difference. The Lord has blessed that effort for me.

How does being a Christian influence your decisions in the marketplace?

I pray for wisdom. I don’t always exercise it, but I pray for it. And I increasingly am dependent on God’s guiding hand. I also am learning to practice gratitude. It brings perspective and clarity about goals, worry, uncertainty and the role of faith in my life.

What is your favorite aspect of the marketplace? Why?

Accomplishing good things through people. In other words, seeing the power of service, quantified financially.

What one aspect of the marketplace gives you the greatest joy?

Employees and team members who experience meaningful work and knowing I had a part in that.

Meaningful work is more than labor. It’s seeing the connection between the work of your hands to the purpose of your organization. To sow meaningful work, do three things:

• Acknowledge the worker.—Do you know me?
• Make it relevant.—Does my job matter?
• Make it impactful.—How is my success measured?

Clearly, God is the Creator and Sustainer. He graciously has allowed me the privilege to be a conduit.

What one aspect of the marketplace would you like to change?

To bring about and to encourage a greater sense of personal accountability to the Lord. Once God is seen as sovereign, a God-centered view is much easier to have. As a consequence, priorities and anxieties are in better perspective, and life is seen more through a lens of faith.

How has your place in the market or your perspective on the marketplace changed?

I am far more dependent on the Lord because I must be. I’m not the smartest guy in the room. I pray for wisdom because I need it and because he is faithful to give it.

How do you expect the marketplace to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

It likely will be innovative and even exciting, but honestly, I see it growing darker. The enemy is not just attacking homes. The enemy is alive and well against organizations that are working to show care and compassion.

No matter the organization, the light of Christ faces growing competition, to use a market term. So, by darker I mean it increasingly will be challenging to capture hearts and minds, not just toward the mission of your organization, but also the spiritual mission to which we are called.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your place in the market.

Steady, reliable funding streams, especially within a market of unlimited demand—as Baby Boomers age—and limited supply.

Retention of an engaged workforce, capturing the hearts and minds of employees to see a vision with purpose and thus to secure that singular commodity often bereft in organizations—meaningful work.

Demand that will outstrip resources, which requires innovation. Brace yourself to compete with the likes of Amazon in previously untapped markets like healthcare.

What do you wish more people knew about the marketplace?

I wish individuals who venture into their own business or practice knew the competitive forces at play and, to put in bluntly, how to make a dollar, how to compete, how to develop trust.

About Mark

Why are you Baptist?

I was raised Baptist and, to be honest, the main reason I am Baptist at age 59 is because of the structure, influence and absolute support system of the Baptist Sunday school class that has been a mainstay and stalwart resource for decades.

I have seen such tremendous turmoil and grief in people’s lives as I have taught for over 20 years. Yet right alongside, I’ve witnessed the wonderful, life-sustaining work of the body of Christ through my Sunday school class.

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

First, my parents, Max and Pat Funderburk, and my grandparents.

Later in life—I’m still being mentored, by the way—my bride of 37 years, Cynthia Noble Funderburk, my son Adam and some exceptionally good friends.

One of the great benefits of being mentored is the attention given to a much-needed balance in life. Mentors offer counsel when my focus or temperament go off the rails. Towards that end, I have benefited greatly through the influence of God–provided mentors.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

Good to Great by Jim Collins. It captured my attention almost 20 years ago, and it provided inspiration to transform the workplace. It essentially was my first true grasp of the power of vision in the workplace.

Start with Why by Simon Sinek. This book provided a template, a formula toward employee engagement and a practical guide to being inspirational. It has worked.

Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin. A captivating picture of our greatest president, it is chock-full of useable strategies for leadership success.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Hebrews 4:16. “Let us approach the throne of grace with confidence to find help in our time of need.”

Why? One, because God tells me to be confident in my approach, which helps to still the anxieties of life. Two, he offers help whenever needed. Essentially, Hebrews 4:16 is a lifeline with a strong invitation to use it.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Joseph. In the cistern, in Potiphar’s house and in the prison, he lived out Hebrews 4:16. I see him as confident in God’s provision when he had every reason not to be.

EDITOR’S NOTE: This interview has been edited for length.

Kathryn Fouse is the dean of the College of Visual and Performing Arts at the University of Mary Hardin-Baylor, having served UMHB since July 2018. She is a member of First Baptist Church in Temple. From deep in the heart of one Texan, she shares her background and thoughts on Christian higher education. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you served, and what were your positions there?

I was at Samford University in Birmingham, Ala., from 2002–18. When I left, I was the associate dean for music in the School of Arts and professor of piano. Before becoming associate dean in 2011, I was the coordinator of piano pedagogy and class piano.

Prior to 2002, I taught adjunctively at the University of North Texas, Texas Wesleyan University and Collin County Community College—teaching primarily piano, piano pedagogy and music theory courses. I began my teaching career at Lon Morris College, which closed in 2012.

Where did you grow up?

I grew up in the southwest corner of Dallas attending Duncanville schools.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I had the good fortune of being raised in a Christian home, and we were regular churchgoers. At age 9, I remember being called to accept Christ as my personal Savior. I remember it was in April, because my pastor had me note the date in my Bible, which I now appreciate very much.

My family was involved in starting a new church when I was in junior high school. I became the church pianist around age 13. It was a tremendous opportunity for me to use and develop the gift God gave me. I have been active as a church pianist since then.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• Baylor University, Bachelor of Music in piano performance
• Southern Illinois University, Master of Music in piano performance
• University of North Texas, Doctor of Music in piano performance

About education

Why do you feel called into education?

With all my degrees in piano performance, I was comfortable performing and enjoyed the stage and still do. But I also realized I would be nowhere without my teachers. So, I wanted to continue to pass on what others had shared with me. I enjoy helping others develop and grow toward their potential, and it is so satisfying to know you have passed on something meaningful to others.

How does being a Christian influence your work in education?

The purpose of education—whether secular or Christian—is the discovery, pursuit and dissemination of knowledge.

So, what makes our Christian institutions unique? Many outside of our faith-based communities are likely to believe faith limits our academic inquiries. But I believe our faith actually offers freedom rather than limitation.

We are free to add the topic of faith to our discussions. We are secure in the belief that all truth is God’s truth. We need not fear where our academic investigations may lead because we know truth comes from God.

Christian institutions often have the advantage over our secular counterparts. We generally have very clear values derived from our faith perspective. Our moral framework grounded in biblical principles values social justice, human dignity and mutual respect for others.

As Christian educators, we are preparing our students to interact with society. We are called to be in this world, but not of this world. Our graduates must be able to connect with others and to collaborate and communicate with those who are of different backgrounds and belief systems. By demonstrating excellence and upholding basic principles of decency and mutual respect, we will have the opportunity to reach nonbelievers.

What is your favorite aspect of education? Why?

Most people have no idea what they really are capable of doing. I enjoy challenging students, opening new doors for discovery, moving them beyond what they believe they are capable of.

I do not want to teach students what to think; I want to teach them how to think. They need to know not only what they believe, but why they believe it.

Once students develop the skills of thinking and problem-solving, they are prepared to face new challenges not yet imagined. And knowing the how and why from previous struggles gives them the confidence to venture into the unknown.

What one aspect of education gives you the greatest joy?

I enjoy guiding students to analyze and evaluate a “problem” or challenge, breaking it into smaller, manageable components. Once they can see the small units of a larger task or issue, they can begin the work of mastering those smaller parts, eventually mastering something significant and previously unimaginable.

Watching students follow this progression to the point they no longer need a teacher to guide them through the process is the most fulfilling and exciting part of education. My greatest joy comes when I see I no longer am needed.

Over time, it is especially rewarding to see my students become my colleagues. I can step back and watch them in the role of “master” as they guide their students, and I can learn from the improvements they have made in the process. Watching this ongoing cycle of learning and teaching and learning is the ultimate fulfillment in education.

What are significant challenges and/or influences facing education?

In a rapidly changing society, we must design a fluid and dynamic curriculum, teaching our students to be flexible and adaptable.

There is greater emphasis on leading students to develop a responsible worldview. We expect our graduates to use their knowledge and skills for the betterment of our communities and society at large.

We are expected to justify the cost-effectiveness of our programs. Many want us to train students for their first job while we often espouse education for education’s sake. Students are expecting both.

What is the impact of education on your family?

Education always played such a major role in our family life that I am not sure I can even imagine what life would have been like without it.

Though we certainly were not wealthy, my parents made it a priority to own multiple complete sets of encyclopedias. When we asked questions, as all children do, we always were told to “go look it up.” This wasn’t because my parents did not have the answers. My mother was a teacher, and my father was an aerospace engineer; both were highly educated. They wanted my sister and me to learn how to find answers. They encouraged us to be inquisitive and to explore the world.

My parents also prioritized being able to send us to college. They allowed us to pursue the areas we were interested in, emphasizing learning and developing the “talents” God gave us. Never once did either of my parents ask me how I was going to make a living as a musician.

Education also gave me the opportunity to travel internationally. Both as a student and then as an educator leading study abroad trips, I have had the privilege of making friends all around the world, learning about other cultures and experiencing different perspectives. I have been able to connect with Christians across the globe, to come together with them sharing God’s love through music in places where religion and the church are not always welcomed.

My husband was a college music professor I met in my doctoral studies. We have enjoyed a life together educating students and making music together. Fortunately, our children seem to have inherited our passion for learning and are happily pursuing studies at universities in California and New York.

We all believe education opens doors for connecting with others and allows us to have a meaningful and positive impact on society, both locally and globally.

About Kathryn

Why are you Baptist?

I was raised in the Baptist faith; so, I suppose many would consider it “logical” that I am Baptist. I did, however, study other denominational beliefs and have served through music in other denominational settings; so, I certainly have been exposed to other possibilities.

As an adult, I made a very conscious decision to remain Baptist. This decision was strongly influenced by two tenets:

1. The priesthood of the believer. I believe very strongly each of us has the opportunity to approach God directly without an earthly mediator.

2. The independence and autonomy of the local church or congregation.

Of course, there are many other Baptist beliefs I embrace. But for me, these are two distinctives that set us apart from many other denominations.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

My favorite book of the Bible always has been James. Even as a young person, the idea of “faith without works” resonated strongly with me. There was a time I began trying to memorize the entire book of James. Though I was not completely successful in this endeavor, many of the verses remain deeply imprinted. Some of those include:

But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves (James 1:22).

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead” (James 2: 14-17).

But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works (James 2:18).

Having spent most of my career in higher education in faith-based institutions, I am keenly aware we know how to “talk the talk.” In this environment, we are comfortable with verbal expressions of faith. We are familiar with email “signatures” with godly messages. While I am sure many of these outward expressions truly are sincere, I hope we also are living our lives in a way that reflects our heavenly Father.

The rest of the world should not have to have us profess our faith in order to recognize it. The world should be able to recognize our faith by our actions. We must speak truth with compassion and be true to our word.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

If I have to pick only one, I think it would be Moses. When God called Moses to lead the Israelites, he was reluctant at first, saying he was not an eloquent speaker and believing no one would listen to him. He recognized his own limitations and did not feel adequate to do what God needed him to do. Through Moses, God shows us he will be with us, giving us the skills and words we need to do his will, if only we will surrender ourselves to him.

Gerry Clarkson is the interim dean of the School of Science and Mathematics and chair of the department of physical sciences at Howard Payne University, having served that institution nearly 30 years. He is a member of Coggin Avenue Baptist Church in Brownwood. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on Christian higher education. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you served, and what were your positions there?

I was an assistant professor of geophysics at Western Michigan University for six years.

Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Elkview, W.Va. For everyone not from that part of West Virginia, Elkview is a small community about 15 miles away from the capital city of Charleston.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

It was a process, really. I grew up being sent to church and from about age 9 to 17. I attended the little Methodist church, which literally was at the end of the block we lived on. Through the teaching I received there and my personal study, I gradually came to understand who I was and my need for a Savior. This culminated one night when, at age 17, I confessed my sin and asked Jesus to be my Savior.

I made that decision public a few weeks later at a basketball tournament I was participating in run by a Christian organization. I don’t know if I ever knew who was sponsoring that tournament, but I am grateful to whoever it was.

A few weeks later, I was baptized in that little Methodist church. Since then, I have had the opportunity to grow in my faith and understanding of what it means to have Jesus as Lord, as well as Savior, through the influence of many fellow believers who have helped me mature in the faith.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

I received my Ph.D. and Master of Science degree in geophysics from New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology in Socorro, N.M., a Bachelor of Arts degree in physics from Oberlin College in Oberlin, Ohio, and an Associate in Arts degree in physics from Potomac State College in Keyser, W.Va.

About education

Why do you feel called into education?

When students ask me a question like this, I usually tell them it’s because I couldn’t decide what I wanted to be when I grew up, so I just kept going to school. Although, after more than 56 years of school, you would think I would come to some decision. Honestly though, like many things in my life, it has been a process.

In graduate school, I was fortunate to have the opportunity to experience both the scientific research environment and the teaching environment. In my first full-time academic position, it became clear to me I enjoyed most the classroom teaching side of university academics, and that is what I have been able to focus on at Howard Payne University.

In retrospect, I can look back and see God orchestrating events in my life to lead me to where I needed to be.

How does being a Christian influence your work in education?

First of all, it keeps me mindful that all truth is God’s truth, whether I am teaching my Sunday school class or a science class.

Being a Christian shapes the way I look at the world and how it works. It also reminds me, whether in the classroom or in meetings or in our faculty/staff/student pick-up basketball games, I should be trying to live a life that reflects well on my Savior.

What is your favorite aspect of education? Why?

Administrative paperwork. Not really.

Actually, I enjoy most working with students, helping them understand basic principles and being able to apply them to different situations.

What one aspect of education gives you the greatest joy?

Seeing the light bulb go on about an idea, principle, concept or philosophy. And along with this, seeing a student grow toward realizing their potential as they reach graduation.

What is your favorite class to teach? Why?

That’s kind of like asking which is your favorite child. I have several I especially enjoy for different reasons.

I just taught a new engineering science course in ethics last spring. That was fun for several reasons. It was a new course, so that made it particularly interesting for me as I prepared for teaching it. Getting students to think about how ethical principles, in general, and Christian principles, in particular, would apply to their future occupations made it an important challenge to me.

Another course I have taught a few times is the Integration of Science and Christian Theology. I have enjoyed this one in large part because it is an area of great personal interest to me and one I wish more people would take some interest in.

Overall, I guess my favorite would be the two semesters of University Physics. I like the opportunity to introduce students to the basic physical principles behind the way the world has been designed to work. It is important for them to become familiar with these principles and how they apply to their various fields of study in science and engineering.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing education.

Instead of three, let me address one I think is of major significance. I think the biggest challenge for higher education is what it always has been—maintaining the proper focus for what education should be.

Although some basic knowledge acquisition is extremely important for education, I believe education should be primarily about the training and growth of the individual and the ability to think about all aspects of life. This should include not only practical aspects of knowledge application, but also ethical and moral considerations, as well.

The growth of technology will continue to impact education, and not necessarily for the better if we are not mindful of what education is for. It is possible to obtain enormous amounts of information quickly these days, but just having information at our fingertips is not enough. Education should bring wisdom in the use of that information.

Just because we know how to do something does not mean we should. This can be overlooked easily in the scientific realm.

The foremost role of education should be to train students to think. This should include the ability to think, not only about what can be done, but also about what ought to be done. Given societal pressures on education, this focus may be difficult to maintain if we are not intentional about how we go about the educational process.

About Baptists

Why are you Baptist?

I am a Baptist primarily because of Coggin Avenue Baptist Church. My background has been diverse. I grew up in a conservative little Methodist church, and in our early adult years, my wife and I were involved with nondenominational fellowships.

When we moved to Brownwood for my teaching at HPU, we considered a few churches and decided on Coggin Avenue. We were in agreement with fundamental Baptist doctrines and felt led to Coggin Avenue Baptist Church, where we have been members for more than 29 years.

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

The same issues facing anyone who wants to be a faithful Christ-follower, I think. How do we maintain a consistent, faithful witness to the world in a culture—in the United States, at least—increasingly uninterested in or hostile to the gospel and biblical principles.

“Speaking the truth in love” sounds a bit cliché, but I think it does describe the task we find ourselves in at this moment.

About Gerry

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

My parents really were my first mentors. In particular, they taught me about perseverance and loyalty. If something was worthwhile, then stick with it, even when it was difficult.

I had several important people who influenced me in graduate school. My thesis adviser taught me many things, but probably the most significant thing was about working in collaboration with others. Two other significant people were one of my graduate geophysics professors, who also taught a home Bible study I attended, and an older friend who was a physics researcher at the university. This friend modeled to me being a scientist serious about ones’ faith.

In addition, there have been numerous pastors and church leaders throughout my life who have helped me mature in my faith by guiding me in the utilization of my gifts to serve the church.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

C.S. Lewis, Os Guinness, J.R.R. Tolkien and lots of the good, ol’ science fiction writers like Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, Kurt Vonnegut and others.

I like the imagination of science fiction. A good science fiction writer can raise very profound questions in ways that, because they are removed from the familiar, invite you to think about issues from a different perspective.

As for Tolkien, how does anyone not like The Lord of the Rings? Lewis and Guinness have been particularly important in helping me formulate a Christian worldview. The Call by Guinness was my one assigned reading for our two homeschooled daughters in their teenage years.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Another question hard to narrow down. There are many.

Recently, the one I have been contemplating the most is Psalm 24:1—“The earth is the Lord’s, and all it contains, the world, and those who dwell in it.”

I have been drawn to this verse by more than one source discussing its connection to a famous quote from Abraham Kuyper’s inaugural oration at the 1880 opening of the Free University at Amsterdam: “Oh, not a single bit of our world of thought can be hermetically sealed off from the rest; and there is not a square inch in the whole domain of our human existence over which Christ, who is Sovereign over all, does not cry: ‘Mine!’”

I love the emphasis on the fact that the Christian life should not consist of compartmentalized pieces but should be an integrated whole, a reminder certainly applicable to academics.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Another singular choice? My initial response to a question like this is Shamgar, partly to try to be obscure, but also because I find these characters who are referred to by name, while we are only given a few words about them, to be fascinating.

Among more familiar people I would say the apostles John and Thomas. John, because his writings were particularly influential in my early growth in the faith. Thomas, because I admire his devotion to Jesus and his willingness to express his desire for evidence of the resurrection.

In addition, I had a friend whose wife was from India, and the church she grew up in traced its founding back to the ministry of Thomas, a story I found captivating in thinking about the growth of the early church.

Colette Cross is the director of discipleship for Houston Baptist University, having served HBU since 2000. She is a member of Tallowood Baptist Church in Houston. From deep in the heart of one Texan, she shares her background and thoughts on Christian higher education. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you served, and what were your positions there?

I served the Missouri Baptist Convention as the Baptist Student Ministries director for the University of Missouri-Kansas City and Longview Community College in Kansas City, Mo.

I also served on staff at Wornall Road Baptist Church in Kansas City, Mo., as the single adult and senior adult minister.

Earlier in my ministry career, I served as the international campus minister with the Baptist Student Ministries at the University of Central Missouri in Warrensburg, Mo.

Outside of denominational ministry, I also was an elementary and high school counselor in a small school district in central Missouri for three years.

Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Jefferson City, Mo., which was a wonderful city in which to live and learn. My family was very involved in the First Baptist Church there, and many people in this church and community played a pivotal role in my spiritual formation. I have a lot of fond memories throughout those years of living in Jefferson City.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I accepted Christ as my Savior when I was in grade school. I was very involved in the church and learned well what accepting Christ meant through involvement in our youth group, Sunday School, Girls in Action and Acteens.

I also was very involved in the choir program and each summer attended Youth Choir Week at Windermere Baptist Assembly, which was our state camp. It was there during the summer of my junior year in high school that I sensed the call of God on my life as a Christ-follower hook, line and sinker. I knew at that point whatever title or path I followed from then on, I wanted to be known first as a Christ-follower.

That commitment was instrumental in my life as I began to understand the magnitude of this through life decisions, such as where to attend college, how I could and should be a productive community member, how to serve well in my church, discerning my vocational call, and through relationships.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

I graduated from William Jewell College in Liberty, Mo., with a bachelor’s degree in history and education with the goal of working toward a master’s degree in counseling. After teaching for two years, I received my master’s degree in counseling from the University of Central Missouri. I then felt God calling me to pursue a Master of Religious Education degree which I completed from Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Kansas City, Mo.

About education

Why do you feel called into education?

One of my top five strengths on the StrengthsQuest assessment is “learner.” I love to learn, which I feel allows me to communicate with young adults in current and relevant ways.

I am hopeful for our future students with whom I have been chosen to “do life” at Houston Baptist University. There are a lot of great opportunities for each of us to learn and grow through each other and live out Proverbs 27:17—“As iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend.”

Our mission at HBU is to help students, faculty and staff to grow, teach and learn what it means to live out the Lord’s vocational call, with our central confession being “Jesus Christ as Lord.”

I am so grateful God has called me to live this each day as I learn and grow with our students, faculty and staff.

How does being a Christian influence your work in education?

My hope is always that my Christian influence is a seamless experience, meaning my walk with Christ is infused in everything I say and do, whether I am on or off campus. I want to be as genuine and honest as possible, reflecting Christ through my words and actions for those around me.

What is your favorite aspect of education? Why?

I love building new relationships with students, faculty and staff. I feel like we are blessed with great students who come ready to grow and are hungry to learn more of who Jesus is and what this means for them as young adults. They are fun, love to laugh and can be serious at the same time.

Our faculty and staff are wonderful colleagues who love the Lord and aren’t afraid to be vulnerable in their journey with Christ, as well. Many of my colleagues have challenged me to a new level of growth in my walk with Christ and, at the same time, are willing to walk side by side with me in the process.

I continue to learn a lot from our students, faculty and staff and enjoy each day on campus.

What one aspect of education gives you the greatest joy?

One of my favorite aspects of education that brings me joy is seeing students recognize their potential. It is so hard in today’s world to see and hear the “good” a student might share because of the world in which we live. I enjoy being on the cusp of this realization and seeing how the light becomes brighter as one understands all that God has for them to experience in our world today.

Through our Kaleo discipleship program, it is a joy to see many of our faculty and staff volunteer to disciple students and let them have a peek into their journey with Christ and what it means to live daily for him. These relationships bring me joy as I hear the stories and see the investments being made on both sides of the table.

What is your favorite class to teach? Why?

I am grateful to be able to teach a freshman year seminar each fall semester. It is a class all freshmen are required to take and focuses on acclimating into the academic world. We talk about topics like time management, setting goals, the difference between a worldview and a Christian worldview and developing study habits.

This class comes at such a critical time of transition for the student and provides a special community with others who are possibly facing the same questions and adjustments.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing education.

Four of the major challenges are:

Discernment—There are so many choices and voices in front of students today, and it is hard to distinguish truth from falsehoods.

One of the verses I use a lot with students on our campus is Isaiah 30:21—Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.”

Truth and trust are very important today and being able to discern these sometimes is a challenge.

Kindness—We live in a world where it feels like we have forgotten what it means to be kind to others.

Micah 6:8 tells us the Lord requires us “to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God.”

Christ is our model of kindness as he shared, lived and loved those around him. In this passage, sandwiched between “do justice” and “walk humbly with your God” is to “love kindness.” I hope kindness will become a natural experience as we practice living in a Christ-centered place.

Discipleship—I think we forget how important relationships are in our world today.

I love this description of discipleship: “Discipleship is friendship with a vision.” Discipleship is learning to be Christ in all that we say and do. As we are called to “do life” with others, we are challenged to live the fruit of the Spirit in such a way that people will leave us saying, “I have just seen Jesus,” through their interaction and experience.

Rest and wonder—We are such busy people that we forget to rest and recognize the wonder in our world.

Richard Swenson said, “To know him is to trust him; and to trust him is to rest in him.”

I am challenged every day to slow down and look with intentionality to see the wonder and blessings from him.

What do you wish more people knew about education?

I wish more people would see education as a privilege and not assume this is available to everyone.

We have so many faculty and staff who are teaching and leading in our world today who are doing this because it is a call on their lives and not because they are seeking to be wealthy or famous.

Many of us today have no idea what a blessing it is to have faith-based educational institutions available where souls of the future are cared for through faith and a Christian education.

About Baptists

Why are you Baptist?

I have been a Baptist all of my life. I learned about God, how to love others as he first loved me, how to live in community with others because of the sacrifice God gave with his Son, and how to be discipled and to disciple others throughout my years of being a Christ-follower.

I am grateful for those God has put in my path to help me grow as a woman in ministry, to understand and celebrate what it means to live in the priesthood of the believer, and how we are called to be productive followers in community.

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

I believe we need to be learners continually in what it means to live out Micah 6:8—“to do justice, love kindness and walk humbly with our God.”

My understanding of what it means to be the church is we should strive to practice every day. We have trouble loving each other in the church and forget about forgiveness and restoration as Christ taught us. It is easy to talk about but more difficult to act with intentionality each day.

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

I would love to see us continue to work on becoming more understanding with those God puts in our path every day. I am a firm believer he orders our steps; therefore, each person and their journey are an ordained experience by God.

Charles Spurgeon told the story that, as he was walking in the countryside, he came upon a weathervane inscribed with the words, “God is love.” He asked the farmer, “Do you mean to say that God’s love is as fickle as the wind?”

The farmer smiled and said: “Not at all. I mean to say that no matter which way the wind blows, God is love.”

I hope we as Baptists will remember God is love, and He has called us to love as he first loved us, whatever the circumstance.

About Colette

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

I have been blessed with many mentors and disciplers who have helped me understand more of what it means to live and move and have his being.

Leslie Hollon served as my pastor in my first position on church staff. He was so patient and such a great leader. I learned so much from him how to lead a congregation graciously, how to be true to my call as a woman in ministry, and how always to seek God in my journey of faith. I also learned from Les the importance of intergenerational relationships and of leaning into shared wisdom.

Connie McNeill served as my local supervisor in Kansas City in Baptist Student Ministry. She stretched me to be more creative in ministry, how to serve students and congregations in a metro setting and what it means to be authentic in my relationships.

Ann Bradshaw is a retired professional who worked outside the church and has served as a testimony to me in living her faith in the midst of a very competitive business world. Her continual commitment to Christ is a beautiful picture of what it means to live with intentionality and gratitude.

Duane Brooks is my current pastor and continues to stretch me and help me to learn more and more about the word of God and how this applies to my life. He is creative, a good listener and a great friend.

Randy Hatchett is one of our faculty members at HBU and a dear friend. He continues to teach me how to love students where they are and enjoy the moment. He is so good at what he does and provides a lot of laughter in my world.

What is the impact of education on your family?

My family has always been a huge proponent of the education process. It was not a question of if we would attend college but where. I am grateful for them modeling the importance of reading and being such advocates of the classroom.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

Love Kindness by Barry Corey. I have enjoyed reading and leading studies on this book. Corey is creative and thoughtful in helping us to remember the lost art of kindness.

The Rest of God by Mark Buchannan. This book has been so important to me in understanding what it means to rest in God and how to make this an active part of my life.

My Utmost for His Highest by Oswald Chambers is a very well-known devotional book I have used multiple times in my daily journey of faith.

In the Heart of the World, Thoughts, Stories and Prayers by Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa is such a wonderful model of care and compassion. This book gives insight to some of her experiences and how she lived the gospel every day in the midst of everyone.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

This changes as I move through seasons, but right now, it is Psalm 118:23, which says “This is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous to see.”

As we continue to see the Lord working through our Kaleo discipleship program, this verse is what always comes to mind. Lives are being changed, and it is nothing we have done, but all through the grace and love of God. I am grateful to be a part of his work.

Wayne Carr, a member of Pioneer Drive Baptist Church in Abilene, Texas, has been in the power engineering field since 1971. He founded Milsoft Utility Solutions in 1989 and is now the CEO and chairman of the board. From deep in the heart of one Texan, Edmiston shares his background and thoughts on being a follower of Christ in the marketplace. To suggest a Texas Baptist leader in the marketplace to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

In responding to what life in the marketplace has been like for him, Carr provided a rich response, which is highlighted before the rest of his interview.

About being a Christian in the marketplace

Growing up on a family-sized dairy farm—less than 100 cows—I learned, or just assumed, hard work was a necessary part of life. The dairy farm was a very inspiring experience for me; it inspired me to get a degree and do anything but farming.

This getting acquainted at an early age with hard work translated into working hard at whatever I was doing.

I chose engineering as a career because I preferred math and science to English and people skills. I didn’t understand success was very dependent on good English and people skills.

It has always amazed me God could and did direct my steps even when I was not actively aware I was allowing him to do so.

My life in the marketplace began as a desire to make a living for myself and family, which I thought was up to me to work hard to accomplish. Over time, God taught me my hard work would only be satisfying and productive when I trusted him for success and satisfaction. That is a story of traveling a long path with God guiding even when I was not aware of the guidance.

At first, the marketplace for me was all about the work of engineering and then about writing software.

Then, as God blessed me with more responsibility as an employee and then as the owner of a company, I began to see God loves people more than their work, and he wants to teach us to use our work in a way that allows us to help him love and care for the people he puts around us.

Over time, God taught me he would bless the work and pay the bills when I was willing to take care of the employees and our customers.

As for employees, God gives us “diamonds” and “projects.” The employee diamonds allow us to produce great products and wonderful service for our customers. The employee projects were sometimes wounded folks and sometimes misunderstood folks who in some cases God wanted us to rescue and turn into diamonds. In some cases, God just wanted us to love and take care of them for a season.

As for customers, we consider our customers as gifts from God, and we accept the responsibility to provide them with the best possible products and services.

Early in founding the business, I realized I was much better at engineering and writing software than I was at running and managing a business.

As I prayed in a panic, God gave me Matthew 6:33—“Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.”—which translated to me as, “Do things his way as best I could, focus on using the abilities and talents he has given me, and trust him to fill in the missing pieces.”

This resulted in God leading us to maximize our obsession with providing the best possible products and services to our customers and to our treating employees as gifts from him rather than as resources. This then led to success within our small marketplace of potential customers.

Perhaps the most important business principle or value God gave me was never to let profit become a priority. Of course, any business that survives, much less is successful, must pay the bills and, to pay the bills, must make a profit. However, as I observed God leading our company, he taught me profit was one of those “two masters” things, and profit would not share priority with anything else. God wanted our first priority to be him, which leads to taking care of employees and providing the best possible products and services to our customers.

Background

In what business are you currently?

Since 1971, I have been an electrical engineer and software developer. I have been in the electrical distribution power business since 1971. My first job was as a power engineer with Houston Power and Light. I then moved to Stephenville to work for Erath County Electric Cooperative as a staff engineer, then to Abilene where I worked as a consulting engineer for Milford Engineering, which led to the founding of the software company Milsoft Utility Solutions in 1989.

Milsoft provides software to electrical distribution utilities, mostly here in United States, with a few international utility customers. Our software helps utility staff with engineering, outage management and mapping. We have recently purchased a software company that provides billing and accounting software to utilities.

Where did you grow up?

I was born in 1948 on a cotton farm in Erath County, Texas. Dad and mom decided in the mid-1950s to go into the dairy business, which became my inspiration for getting an engineering degree.

So, I grew up on a dairy farm about two miles south of Alexander, a wide spot on Highway 6 in Erath County. The closest city of size is Stephenville. I attended school at Dublin.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I was blessed with dedicated Christian parents and publicly accepted Christ at the age of 8. At the church we attended—Alexander Baptist—8 was the age considered appropriate.

I don’t remember ever not knowing and loving Christ; however, it was at the age of 18 that I read a book by Billy Graham and for the first time truly understood the significance of why I needed Christ as my Savior. I have been continuing to learn the significance of this ever since.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

I received a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering from the University of Texas in Austin in 1970.

Life in the marketplace

Why do you feel called into the marketplace?

Initially, I was called into the marketplace by my desire to make a living somewhere other than the farm. Somewhere along the path of learning to love and trust God, I realized I was where God wanted me to be and where he prepared and gifted me to be.

How does being a Christian influence your decisions in the marketplace?

Please understand that, for me, trusting God and doing things his way was the most difficult of all decisions, and it was and still is a constant battle between my flesh and his Spirit to seek first his kingdom and righteousness instead of my desires and passions.

Early in my career, I realized the uncertainty of most decisions. Some decisions are easy and fall naturally from the gifts and talents God has given us. But then there are all the rest that fall outside of what we can know and inside of the uncertainties of life.

God gave me a verse early in my career, James 1:5, which says, “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask God.”

In some ways, the decisions we aren’t comfortable with and are willing to go to him in trust are less dangerous than the ones we make blindly without asking for his wisdom.

What is your favorite aspect of the marketplace? Why?

I love to write, design and fix software. Must be that dairy farm upraising that instilled in me the Type A drive to be productive.

What one aspect of the marketplace gives you the greatest joy?

It is a great joy to see our company be a blessing to our employees and to see its products and services be a blessing to our customers when it makes their work lives better and more productive. This is countered by the pain of witnessing us fail at either, which we do. Sometimes because we just don’t do the right thing, and sometimes just because things don’t always work out. During these times, God has given me Romans 8:28.

What one aspect of the marketplace would you like to change?

I would like to see changed the “good for business” practice of treating employees and customers as resources to be taken advantage of in the quest for greater profit and/or power. I know that is a mighty big change to expect and that it will not happen until Jesus returns.

How has your place in the market or your perspective on the marketplace changed?

It has been a long and exciting path of the growing realization of God’s place, power and love in all that I do and accomplish. This marketplace is just the sandbox he has placed me until he returns or I go to him.

How do you expect the marketplace to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

I expect the marketplace will get much more difficult and much less God-oriented, if that is possible. I expect this will offer a wonderful opportunity for those Christians who wish to trust God and live and work in his presence. An opportunity, because his power and wisdom will become more necessary for and more evident to those who are called according to his purpose.

What do you wish more people knew about the marketplace?

All that we do, including the marketplace, is all about God and trusting him.

About Baptists

Why are you Baptist?

I agree with Baptist doctrine, but mostly because that is where God put me. I also love Baptist traditional music. I know contemporary music is the future, but I am certain traditional music worship will outlast me.

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

The cultural issues of our time will require much prayer and wisdom. How do those in leadership positions manage and deal with the tension between hating the sin and loving the sinner?

About Wayne

What is the impact of the marketplace on your family?

On the positive side, God has provided all the necessities of life to my family because of the marketplace that he placed me in. My son, son-in-law and nephew now manage the company, and if it is God’s will, they will continue to be blessed with prosperity and the joys of running a company.

On the negative side, my passion to work hard and do what it took to get things done took me away from family more than I am willing to confess.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

I enjoy history and historical fiction. I am afraid I don’t pay much attention to the author.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Matthew 6:33 and James 1:5. They were the foundation of faith this engineer needed to build a life on.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Paul, because his books of the Bible are teaching me to live in total dependence on my Savior and to walk in his presence by living in the Spirit instead of the flesh.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

I spend too much time playing war strategy games on the computer.

If you could get one “do over” in the marketplace, what would it be, and why?

I would realize and put into practice much sooner in my career that it is all about God.

Larry McGraw is associate dean and professor of Bible in the Logsdon School of Theology at Hardin-Simmons University in Abilene, Texas, having served HSU for 38 years. He is a member of First Baptist Church in Abilene.

From deep in the heart of one Texan—known for his dry sense of humor, McGraw shares his background and thoughts on Christian higher education. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you served, and what were your positions there?

I was an adjunct professor at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and Tarrant County Junior College. I also worked for the Southern Baptist Radio and Television Commission in Fort Worth.

Where did you grow up?

Although you could find many to say I have not (grown up), I was born in Wichita Falls and lived there until about the age of 12. Junior high and high school years, I matriculated in Oklahoma City (my foreign mission work).

How did you come to faith in Christ?

My grandmother in Wichita Falls modeled the love of Christ to me. When I moved to Oklahoma City, my family and the believers at Village Baptist Church were instrumental in preparing me for my conversion during my early teens.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• High school graduation at John Marshall in Oklahoma City (1970)
• Bachelor’s degree in religion from Oklahoma Baptist University (1974)
• Master of Divinity from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (1978)
• Ph.D. in New Testament (minors in Old Testament and Biblical backgrounds) from Southwestern Seminary (1983)

About education

Why do you feel called into education?

From the earliest days of my vocational ministerial development, I perceived my call to be helping people grow in their understanding and knowledge of the Bible.

How does being a Christian influence your work in education?

It is as natural as breathing. My relationship with the Lord has its fullest joy in the classroom—at Hardin-Simmons University or at church.

What is your favorite aspect of education? Why?

Students, students, students! Watching individuals grow in a relationship with God and his word never ceases to touch me.

What one aspect of education gives you the greatest joy?

Did I mention the students? Some of them even turn out able to be editors of state Baptist newspapers.

What is your favorite class to teach? Why?

That question is akin to asking which of your children you prefer.

The beginning survey classes in Old and New Testament are fulfilling because all levels and backgrounds of students are in the same room and learning on different levels.

Upper-level Bible courses and church history courses for students majoring and preparing for ministry also are fulfilling as more depth can be developed.

What one aspect of education would you like to change?

The unyielding weight of assessment of courses, programs and faculties.

How has your place in education or your perspective on education changed?

As a professor, my perspective over almost four decades has moved from delivering a certain body of content to be more aware of what the students truly need to impact their lives, families and vocations.

How do you expect education to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

Sadly, I think there will be more emphasis and energy given to delivering the educational product through online courses and degrees.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing education.

Money, online educational experiences and a lack of desire on the part of some students.

What do you wish more people knew about education?

That students have not truly learned anything until they can incorporate it into their lives and are able to teach it to others.

About Baptists

Why are you Baptist?

Texas Baptist all the way. Is there anything else?

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

Denominationally, avoid being connected with any specific political philosophies.

Congregationally, the ability to interact redemptively—not judgmentally—with its local community.

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

Re-emphasize the importance of the separation of church and state. God’s kingdom supersedes all human empires.

About Larry

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

• My humor came from my dad, Ray McGraw.
• My teaching style was influenced by a seminary professor, Dr. William Hendricks.
• My university administrative approaches were influenced by my first dean, Dr. H.K. Neely Jr.

What did you learn on the job you wish you learned elsewhere?

That students always will remember the professor longer than they will remember what was taught.

What is the impact of education on your family?

My wife taught music in elementary schools for her career. Each of my two sons completed Masters degrees as they developed their vocations.

How important is your wife to you?

Sandy, my lovely bride of almost 46 years, is all that … and more.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

Most of my non-biblical reading is in the areas of non-fiction material—histories and even sports-related material.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Now, we are back to favorite courses and kids questions. One from the Old Testament is Isaiah 12:2, because it speaks about not being afraid since the Lord is our strength. One from the New Testament is Matthew 5:16, since it shows a life lived well will cause others to glorify God.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Philemon, since he was known by Paul and others as being a “refresher” (vv. 7, 20) to those around him.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

I am not good at planning things.

If you could get one “do over” in education, what would it be, and why?

I would have liked to have gotten more serious about my education earlier than in my junior year of college.

Tommy Sanders is provost and vice president of academic affairs at East Texas Baptist University in Marshall, Texas, and has served ETBU since 2013. He is a member of Port Caddo Baptist Church in Marshall. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on Christian higher education. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you served, and what were your positions there?

• Director of Master of Arts in Children’s Ministry and Master of Arts in Family Ministry, Dallas Baptist University
• Minister of childhood education, Park Cities Baptist Church, Dallas
• Director of childhood ministry publishing, LifeWay Christian Resources, Nashville
• Minister of childhood education, Hyde Park, Baptist Church, Austin
• Minister to preschoolers and their families, First Baptist Church, Waco
• Minister of youth and children, First Baptist Church, Hewitt
• Minister of youth, Calvary Baptist Church, Waco

Where did you grow up?

Vicksburg, Miss.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I was 14 and accepted Christ after a youth revival in my church. Shortly after that, I felt the call into ministry.

I was a member of a small church and a small association. I began speaking in our church and in other small churches in the area. Because I had the gift of teaching, folks assumed I would be a pastor but much of that was due only to a few churches in our association having more than a full-time pastor. It was the assumption by most that this was the path for me.

I often tell students that knowledge and experience precede a call. God continues to use new experiences and knowledge to shape my call.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• Bachelor of Arts in Religion, Baylor University
• Master of Arts in Religious Education, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
• Ph.D. in Leadership Studies, Dallas Baptist University. I was their first Ph.D. graduate.

About education

Why do you feel called into education?

Other than titles like “follower of Christ,” “Dad” and “Husband,” the title I feel most characterizes me is the word “teacher.” From my earliest memories, school teachers as early as junior high and at church have recognized this in me. For me, the best definition of education, teaching and learning is change—change in knowledge, change in heart and change in life. Seeing learners making these changes is an exciting process.

How does being a Christian influence your work in education?

We talk about the integration of biblical faith and learning a great deal at ETBU. We believe in order for students to see they can integrate faith into their careers, they first must see it demonstrated by Christian faculty in and beyond the classroom.

When I say “biblical integration of faith,” I mean more than prayer and a devotion. These activities may or not be integration. Integration is when we take what we are teaching that day and we make a connection with a biblical principle.

What is your favorite aspect of education? Why?

Christian higher education has two powerful tools at its disposal—education and the gospel. These are two of the most powerful tools for change.

ETBU has a high percentage of first-generation students, maybe the highest of all traditional Baptist schools in Texas. When I see a first-generation student walk across the stage at commencement, I think about all the potential, not only for this student, but for his or her family and for the kingdom.

What is your favorite class to teach? Why?

Principles of Christian Teaching. While I am the provost and vice president for academic affairs, I typically teach at least one and usually two classes a semester. I love Principles of Christian Teaching because it allows me to share what I know about teaching and curriculum development to students. I am very passionate about teaching and this is the best platform to share my knowledge and experience in that area. I also enjoy teaching freshmen each fall semester in a learning and leading class.

What one aspect of education would you like to change?

In higher education, most disciplines do not require any type of andragogy (adult education). Early in my higher education journey, Dr. Gail Linam stressed to me one of the greatest tasks of the chief academic officer is to help discipline experts to become teachers. This is a problem because most content experts are teaching what they love or what was easy for them, which may not be true for all of their learners. If learners are not learning, then faculty are probably not teaching. I would require all teaching-track terminal degrees to have an andragogy course.

How do you expect education to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

More distance learning. I am not afraid of this development. I have developed and taught online learning for more than 15 years. I think it can be more difficult to develop deep relationships for some students, but I am an example of a student who did not have deep relationships throughout most of my seminary education though I was sitting in the classroom 10 or more hours a week. I think that can be challenging in both platforms.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing education.

Private Christian higher education in smaller schools is going to face a crisis in the not-so-distant future as the likelihood grows that students may be restricted from using federal grants at schools that legally discriminate based on religion and other traditional issues. The loss of these resources for students not only is going to hurt Christian higher education, it also is going to hurt the education of our workforce because the state and federal government cannot afford to educate all these students. If this happens, Christian schools like ETBU are going to face some difficult decisions. We currently are seeing more partnerships and grants for institutions with these types of restrictions.

I am concerned that equipping people for ministry really has been diminished over the last 40 years. Congregational experience is dominated by large events that can be powerful tools, but I think the challenge is to move people into a process of discipleship and leadership development.

What do you wish more people knew about education?

The person who sacrifices the most in the instructional setting should be the teacher. I think the idea of a sage on the stage who walks in and talks off the top of his or her head is not the kind of teaching Jesus modeled. He met the learners at their point of need and offered specific ways for them to change in their knowledge, hearts or lives. It is incumbent on the teacher to understand the needs and attributes of learners in each class.

To be honest, the ways we sacrifice actually may impact learners more than the words or learning activities we use. The challenge is that learning ultimately is up to the learner, but that should not keep teachers from strategies that engage learners.

About Baptists

Why are you Baptist?

I had a chance to reflect on this a few years ago when a Presbyterian church in Atlanta, Ga., aggressively pursued me to join their staff. I explained to them that at the heart of my decision, aside from not feeling called, was I am a Baptist at heart.

The focus on centrality of Scripture as seen through the life of Christ, the focus on believer’s baptism, the focus on the local congregation and individual in decision-making and biblical interpretation, and the focus on the importance of freedom to express faith are key to who I am and how I approach my relationship with a congregation.

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

What I have learned from serving in churches and agencies from across the denominational spectrum is there is little that really makes us different, especially down in the ranks of the organizations.

The one thing that makes these institutions similar is the damage caused by the personal pursuit of power. This pursuit of power becomes the ultimate goal, while biblical interpretations, social issues, leadership roles, shallow Christian-speak and symbolism—among other things—often become the means to the end of personal power.

Leaders use an issue-driven approach to develop transactional relationships with those who follow or collaborate with them. Often, this is done with little care for the impact on the Great Commission or the people in the organization.

I wish we could overcome these transactional relationships that form around power and instead focus on the Great Commission. I think a major reason organizations drift from their mission is that gaining and maintaining power replaces the mission or the Great Commission.

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

I worry at all levels that Baptist denominations are attempting to maintain their status and influence rather than serving churches.

My first experience with the denomination was in equipping me to serve as a student and as a young minister. To be honest, I learned more about practical ministry from events offered by the BGCT or, at that time, the Baptist Sunday School Board than I did in my seminary experience.

About you

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

This is really hard. I would have to say Dr. Gail Linam, previous provost at Dallas Baptist University, whom I served with twice in the local church and at DBU, and Nelda Williams, retired children’s ministry specialist for Texas Baptists. Both of these leaders have been key to how I understand ministry and teaching. Neither of them was a professor of mine, but both taught me more than I have learned in any classroom.

As for classroom mentors, I don’t have many because I was one of those students who said very little in formal educational settings, unless my speaking was being assessed. If I had classroom mentors, they would be Dr. Rosalie Beck from Baylor and Dr. Royce Rose from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Here is a funny story. I was a guest lecturer at SWBTS for a week while serving at LifeWay. While waiting for my host, one of my former professors introduced himself to me. I stated I had him as a part of my Master of Arts in Religious Education degree. He responded, “I am sorry. I only remember people who are memorable.” That’s pretty much me.

What did you learn on the job you wish you learned elsewhere?

When we talk about change, durable change must come from the inside of the individual and the organization. Otherwise, change usually is not long-lived or as effective. It is easy to offer shallow or harsh external motivation to followers to make changes. Though expedient, such motivators rarely lead to what is the desired outcome.

What is the impact of education on your family?

When parents come to New Student Orientation, I tell them it is time to roll up the umbilical cord because their students are now adults. That does not mean checking out, but it does mean a change in the way we relate. For me personally, I have to step back and realize my children are on a journey of their own, and even though I think I know best for them, it is time for them to learn to trust God. I am happy to offer guidance, but I must show self-discipline to realize they need to rely on God for their primary guidance.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

I am going to admit I read a lot of young adult literature, along with history. I give first edition autographed books to my children and close friends. I collect a few on my own.

John Adams by David McCullough. McCullough crafts a narrative demonstrating a Christian leader who played an influential role at almost every major decision in the early life of our nation.

Letters and Papers from Prison by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer demonstrates the willingness to die for his calling to follow and be obedient to Christ.

Leadership by James MacGregor Burns. Burns introduced me to the concept of transactional leadership and relationships, which has given me a new perspective on work and teaching.

Book Thief by Markus Zusak. This is a dark young adult book narrated by death. There is hope in the love shared among people in the most difficult of situations.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Isaiah 6:8. This verse spoke to me about my calling and continues to speak to me.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

As a children’s minister, I really avoid the word “character” to refer to individuals in the Bible because in the minds of children it speaks of fiction, not of real people. The Bible person I most enjoy reading is Moses, but the people I most relate to are Caleb and Hur. Caleb and Hur supported the work of Moses but still were critical to the work.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

I really dislike personality tests, but recently I have discovered on the Enneagram, I am a One, which is a reformer. Ones want to do what is right. No one who knows me would be surprised by this, but what might surprise them is I don’t say everything I think. It is not that I talk a lot. People wear me out. Most folks know me as a person who is not reluctant to speak a difficult truth. The good news is I don’t say all the truth I see or know.

If you could get one “do over” in education, what would it be, and why?

I was a first-generation college student, and I could not see much past that first degree. Dr. Rosalie Beck and Dr. Gail Linam were the first to challenge me that a terminal degree would equip me well for serving Christ. I did not take their guidance very seriously in my undergraduate and masters work.

Edited for clarity.

Landin Brown is a graduate student at East Texas Baptist University, where he is an active member of Fellowship of Christian Athletes and is the captain of the men’s basketball team. As team captain, Brown strives to uplift his teammates spiritually on and off the court. He also is an active member of Greater Macedonia Baptist Church.

From deep in the heart of one Texan, Brown shares his background and thoughts on being a follower of Christ in the community. To suggest a Texas Baptist community leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you led in the community, and what was your role there?

I have served as a volunteer and youth leader at the Boys and Girls Club of Marshall, as well as Marshall Junior High School. I also have had the pleasure to share my spiritual gift as a youth leader at Camp Fuego, a summer camp designed to create a peaceful yet eventful experience for youth through spiritual principles.

Where did you grow up?

I was raised in Houston.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

Although I was raised in the church and with a strong spiritual foundation, my faith became even stronger when one of my good friends and teammates encouraged me to focus on my spiritual gifts and utilize them to help bring others to Christ. As I dove deeper into the word of God, I grew closer to Christ and discovered my spiritual purpose, which I believe is to lead others to Christ by sharing my spiritual journey and actively serving as a positive force in my community.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

I am a magna cum laude graduate of East Texas Baptist University with a Bachelor of Science degree in education, emphasis in kinesiology.

I am pursuing a master’s degree in Christian ministry.

About community life

What is your sense of calling to be a Christian engaged in the community?

My calling is to empower youth by helping them to recognize and comprehend the importance of establishing a firm spiritual foundation. I am dedicated to helping youth find their spiritual gifts and utilize them to help others recognize the greatness of Christ.

How does being a Christian influence your decisions?

Being a Christian is who I am. My entire life is based upon spiritual principles and my overall spiritual foundation. I involve Christ in every aspect of my life, as he is the reason for my entire existence.

What do you love about your community? Why?

I love the diversity of the people, as it is my belief that embracing the people in the community is the first step to bringing people to Christ.

How has your community changed?

My community constantly is changing and developing. People are open to learn about the power and the greatness of Christ by working together for the greater good of the overall community.

How do you expect your community to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

I anticipate my community will continue to develop and expand in ways that contribute to the greater good of the world by demonstrating Christian principles.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your community.

One of the biggest issues that exists, not only in my community but in society, is one’s desire to fit in. This is a major challenge, as one must gain a connection with Christ, because only then will one recognize the only acceptance that holds value is the acceptance of Christ. Through Christ, one learns to discover, appreciate and share their spiritual gifts with others in the community.

Another challenge is the element of judgment. Too many times, I have encountered individuals who wanted to attend church or Christian-related events but were discouraged due to their appearance or lack of spiritual knowledge. For this reason, I think it’s important that communities work together to make everyone feel welcome and accepted in the house of the Lord.

About Landin

I am a young man who once struggled with low self-esteem. I didn’t always have a great deal of self-confidence and felt I lacked those elements that made others great. However, over time, I grew closer to God, and he revealed to me that every element I believed I lacked was right there inside of me and in abundance.

Through Christ, I learned even doubt and a low self-esteem was nonexistent, as Christ helped me to discover my strengths and focus on the positives. I began to believe in myself and recognize Christ is great, and every being created by him also is great. When I learned to lean on Christ and Christ alone, I discovered my strength.

Why are you Baptist?

I was raised Baptist. However, as I transitioned into adulthood, I began to appreciate the deep-rooted values of Baptist churches. I admire the principles and practices exercised in the Baptist church.

Baptists perform baptism ceremonies only after a person has professed Christ as their Savior. Baptism symbolizes the cleansing of sins. This is a powerful experience, as one truly must understand and accept Christ as their Lord and Savior and believe he died for our sins. The Baptist faith is all about discovering and embracing spiritual truths.

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

• Malik Black, a peer mentor, helped me recognize the power of Christ and his impact on my life.
• Brad Austin, my Amateur Athletic Union coach, encouraged me never to give up and always to strive for greatness.
• Coach Ament, my high school basketball coach, pushed me to live up to my greatest potential.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

James 2:14-26

Faith without action is dead, because you’re not using your faith in God to do his work. When following God, he may ask you to do something you don’t want to do, but we must be obedient to him and follow his commands. Faith plays a big part in this, but we also must be willing to go out in the world and follow God’s purpose and sacrifice what we want to do.

Following God doesn’t mean everything is going to be easy. It’s going to require some faith and action that lines up with God’s will.

There are a lot of people in this world who believe in Jesus Christ and have faith in him but are not living for him. When you’re living for Christ, you put away your own desires and follow what the Lord wants.

Saying I have faith in Jesus Christ means I am actively seeking him, diving into his word, letting the Spirit use me and bringing people to Jesus. I am not just doing what I want to do and saying I have faith in him. I am pursuing him, building a relationship with him and actually following his commands.

James 2:14-26 shows me that having faith in Jesus Christ is not just believing he died on the cross for our sins but actually is living for him, putting away everything I want and desire and sacrificing it for a God who is bigger than everything in this world.

I pray Jesus Christ will use me how he wants to use me, put me where he wants me to be. I am willing to go wherever he desires. My doubts, fears, anxiety and struggles have nothing over him. He has overcome the world and everything in it. I have faith in you, Lord!

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Noah, because he utilized his talents and physical strengths to develop a shelter after listening to God’s word. This is important, as it reveals when we listen to God, he can guide us through any storm.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you well.

In elementary and middle school, I constantly was in trouble for misbehaving. This always is shocking to those I have encountered in my adult life, as they often consider me well-mannered and reserved. Praise God for growth and maturity.